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Underworld: Rise of the Lycans is an American film released January 23, 2009. It is the third installment in the Underworld series, focusing primarily on the origins of some characters and the events leading to the Vampire-Lycan war.

"In a world as strange and exciting as this one, why would people bother to make up stories? To reveal truth that's why. That is the work of the artist. So what happens when the smartest most powerful White people set up a supreme political system based on falsehood, deception and lies?

The truth comes out anyway; sometimes revealed by the White supremacists themselves. Movies, TV, newspapers...The practice of racism is littered with evidence of White supremacy i.e. *Dark* figures, *tainted* evidence (look that one up), *black* days... Words are tools and so far, Ain't nobody got a tool kit like the White supremacists. {Underworld like}1984, although fiction, is an example of this phenomenon. A small number of dedicated individuals control an entire society through the skillful use of deceit(words) and direct violence."----josh


The film tells the story of blacksmith Lucian (Michael Sheen), who was the first werewolf able to take human form and to be called a Lycan. Viktor (Bill Nighy), the ruthless elder of the vampires, takes him home after killing his werewolf mother. Viktor envisions a race of werewolf slaves for his vampire clan that, conceivably, could keep guard during the daytime hours and toil for the vampires. As Lucian grows up at Viktor's home, his young daughter, Sonja (Rhona Mitra), develops an attraction to the young Lycan. Lucian becomes fond of Sonja as well.

It is revealed that Viktor has a relationship with the human population of the area, whereupon he agrees to protect them from the wild werewolves that roam the countryside in exchange for a tithe. As a collection of human nobles comes to meet with the vampire council for protection from the werewolves in exchange for this aforementioned tithe, Sonja goes out to guard them. Lucian hears the werewolves near Sonja and steals a horse and sword from a nearby Death Dealer. Wild werewolves proceed to attack and kill the nobles, causing Lucian to engage in a battle with them. When Lucian takes off his collar and changes into a Lycan in order to protect Sonja, the wild werewolves back down to his howl and leave before Lucian is shot down by Viktor's men. Viktor, despite grudging acknowlement that Lucian has saved his daughter, notes that Lucian has still transgressed the laws of the coven by taking off the collar that keeps him in check (its inward-pointing spikes are designed to kill him if he changes into a Lycan) and feels betrayed by what he thinks of as his favorite pet. Subsequently, he locks Lucian away after having him whipped thirty times with a three-pronged chain-bladed whip.

With the help of the scheming vampire Tanis, Lucian and Sonja orchestrate Lucian's release. In exchange, Sonja promises Tanis her seat on the vampire Council. Lucian escapes, kills several of the Vampires and begins to liberate the other Lycans from their unfair imprisonment. The guards are alerted and start to slaughter the escaping Lycans. Sonja remains behind but when Viktor discovers that she has had a forbidden relationship with Lucian, he imprisons her. Meanwhile, Lucian and some of the freed Lycans roam the nearby countryside recruiting many of the labourers of the human nobles to their fight for freedom from both the nobles and the vampires. Lucian also travels to a cavernous location that is teeming with werewolves in attempt to make contact with them. Back at the fortress, the Vampire nobles are outraged at the escape and growing chaos with the Lycans, demanding that Viktor brings Lucian back. Viktor assures them that Lucian will return on his own since Viktor has something that Lucian wants (Sonja).

Lucian and his followers are waiting in the forest for Sonja to join them, as they had previously agreed. However, instead Lucian learns about Sonja's imprisonment from one of Sonja's attendants and sets out to rescue her. Lucian orders his Lycan followers to wait for now, but be prepared to attack if he does not return. Lucian successfully rescues Sonja from the fortress but on their way out they are attacked by the Death Dealers. Viktor is also involved in the chase and when it comes to the fight, it is Sonja who confronts Viktor. When Sonja discloses to him that she is pregnant with Lucian's child, Viktor overpowers her with a knife to the throat and imprisons both her and Lucian with renewed hatred. Sonja is sentenced to death for her crime against the coven at a trial presided over by her father and the Council. After being chained and whipped again, Lucian is forced to witness Sonja's death, in which she is burned to death by overexposure to sunlight. Lucian, deeply exhausted, saddened and shaken after witnessing the death of his love, passes out.

Lucian awakens when Viktor comes in to view his now deceased daughter. As Viktor sadly removes the pendant necklace he had given Sonja, an enraged Lucian transforms and overpowers Viktor. Lucian takes Sonja's pendant and escapes out of a window. The escape is stopped at the castle walls by Death Dealers as Lucian is repeatedly shot with crossbows. With a thunderous howl, Lucian summons the freed Lycans and the wild werewolves, who attack the coven and overwhelm it after a fierce battle, killing all the defending vampires and Death Dealers. The Vampire Council members are also killed along with their aides, lesser vampire nobles and councilors while trying to flee the council chamber.

Viktor unsuccessfully tries to escape Lucian and they battle their way to the catacombs. The fight continues back and forth until Lucian knocks Viktor down a well. Lucian tears at chains hanging from above, making a hole in the roof and allowing sunlight in and cornering an enraged Viktor in the darkness. Viktor's 'final' words attest to his regret at not having killed Lucian the moment he was born, to which Lucian sarcastically agrees before forcing his sword through Viktor's mouth and head and letting the body fall into the water below. Lucian emerges to the courtyard which is ringed with the surviving Lycans and freed slaves. He declares this victory as only the beginning of what will surely be a war between the races, one bred for slavery and the other born into privilege. In one of the closing scenes we see Tanis leading a very alive Viktor, who survived due to his status as an Elder, into a hibernation chamber on a boat.

The film ends with the opening scene of the first Underworld, with the audio from the scene where Kraven tells Selene that it was Viktor who murdered her family, rather than the Lycans. That Viktor spared her because she reminded him of Sonja, the daughter he condemned to death. Then Selene replies to Kraven, "Lies!"

Races of Underworld universe

Underworld, Underworld: Evolution, and Underworld: Rise of the Lycans, depict two humanoid races living among humans in secret, Vampires and Lycans (werewolves) and the creation of a Lycan-Vampire hybrid.

After William was imprisoned, Viktor, Marcus and Amelia settled in as rulers of the Vampires, becoming the Vampire Elders, creating the covens as the main organization of the Vampires. However, Viktor took control from Marcus, ensuring he would never have the strength to free his brother. The coven later embarked on an ill-fated scheme to turn the surviving Lycans into slaves, using them to guard their castle in the daylight. They did not have human form until Lucian was born, he was the first werewolf born in human form, as seen in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. However, after the romance and subsequent pregnancy between Viktor's daughter Sonja and the Lycan slave Lucian was discovered, Sonja was executed and by proxy her and Lucian's unborn child also and the war begun.

After some time, it was believed Lucian had been killed, and the Death Dealers were charged with hunting down any and all surviving Lycans. By the time of the first film, Amelia and the Vampire council were in control. However, nobody suspected the truth: Kraven had struck a deal with Lucian, allowing him to gain power and a position as regent in the Coven. In the present day, the coven had become increasingly decadent under Kraven's leadership, with Amelia ruling from the New World branch of the coven. It was then that Lucian struck, killing Amelia and the Vampire Council, and increasing his search for the human descendant of Corvinus (Michael Corvin). In him the two races could be merged, creating a Hybrid, leaving Kraven to rule the Vampires. However, his plan was derailed when Selene awakened Viktor and alerted him to Kraven's treachery.

In the ensuing battle Kraven betrayed Lucian, killing him with silver bullets. Viktor personally intervened, but after the truth about his killing of Selene's family was revealed, he was slain by Selene and the Hybrid Michael Corvin. With these events, followed by the destruction of Ordoghaz and the slaying of Kraven by the newly hybridized Marcus, it is unclear what will become of the clans.

Ördögház (literally: "Devil's House") is an ancient building in Hungary which houses the Old World vampires. Every century, a Vampire Elder returns to the crypt in Ördögház to hibernate for the next two centuries, while another Vampire Elder is awakened to lead the Vampire realm. In Underworld: Evolution, Marcus Corvinus razed Ördögház to the ground; it is presumed that all within the mansion perished in the blaze.

Powers and abilities

A Vampire's transformation is not nearly as startling as their Lycan counterparts. When they transform, their eyes turn a startling shade of electric blue or bright gold, while their canine teeth lengthen to become pointed fangs. At all times, the lateral incisors on all vampires are elongated and come to a sharp point. The Underworld vampires display most of the prominent vampire traits seen in myth and in popular culture: super strength, speed, reflexes, agility, coordination, endurance, regeneration process and heightened senses. Selene and several other Death Dealers have been seen leaping from very high places; at least 10 stories in some places, and landing without injury or harm. Selene has been shown moving with enough speed to evade gunfire in Evolution, and to outrun an enraged Raze in the first film. All vampires, on the other hand, share a common weakness to sunlight, possibly due to a fatal allergic reaction to Ultraviolet radiation. The Lycans, at the beginning of Underworld, take advantage of this weakness by filling their bullets with a photogenic solution (or, as Kahn says during his first appearance, "daylight harnessed as a weapon"). He theorized that they were of military development, but it is later revealed they were actually made by Andreas Tanis.

Selene was also seen using her super strength to pin Michael against a wall several feet off of the ground, as well as performing spectacular leaps on numerous occasions, striking her enemies with tremendous force. She was shown to be powerful enough to survive a shotgun blast in the stomach at point blank range, and easily throws Hungarian police officers around like dolls. It is possible that Selene was stronger and more powerful because she was bitten by the Vampire Elder Viktor.

It can be assumed that the other vampires possessed various degrees of these abilities, due to their age and experience. Their heightened senses manifest in acutely increased depth perception, sense of smell, hearing, and nightvision (which may outwardly manifest as electric blue eyes or yellow eyes as shown by the vampire Elder Amelia and Tanis). Erika, a low-level vampire, is shown to have the ability to cling to the ceiling and jump at superhuman speed.

Their bite releases the vampire virus, which can aggressively overtake a normal human's physiology, causing them to become a Vampire as well. As explained by Selene in the first Underworld film though, a bite by either a Lycan or Vampire is typically lethal, suggesting that the majority of those bitten die rather than transform into either immortal race.

Vampire law

The Vampires have a law which is decreed in their Covenant. Some of these laws include:

* Vampires are forbidden to delve into the past

* Vampires are forbidden to love/mate with/befriend Lycans

* Vampires are forbidden to tell a human of their kind unless intending to turn them

* Vampires are forbidden to kill their own kind

Breaking these laws require a judgement from the ruling Elder(s) or death.

The vampire community has been split between two covens, one in the Old World (Europe, Asia, and Africa), housed in Ördögház and one in the New World (the Americas).

Vampire Elders

Marcus first turned the Hungarian warlord Viktor in exchange for his military intelligence, then he turned Amelia sometime later. They were to aid him in capturing his brother William. Viktor's army was made into the original Death Dealers. As the oldest and strongest vampires, they became the three Vampire Elders. Viktor was considered the strongest and was the main source of military force. Amelia was the most diplomatically powerful, aiding in spreading the coven's influence. Marcus, however, was undermined and over-shadowed, even though, being the first-ever vampire, he was presumably the most powerful. The prequel Underworld: Rise of the Lycans shows that the Elders were once aided by a larger council that could exert some influence over their chief; this seems to have been done away with in the aftermath of the Lycan uprising.


Viktor and Amelia both sought to undermine Marcus' authority, but Viktor believed the lie that, should Marcus or William die, the rest of the species would die with them. Thus, he never sought Marcus' death.

The Vampire Elders have an intricate system known as the 'Chain', during which one Elder rules while the other two slumber in the crypt in Ordoghaz, for every century. This was probably devised after William was captured. Only an elder is allowed to awaken another, for they have the ability to organize their thoughts into a cohesive record for the next Elder to refer to; however, it is possible for any blood to provoke an awakening.


Elders look like other vampires, however, they possess superior strength, speed, stamina, and senses that are far above those of the average Vampire. Viktor, as seen in the first film, was able to stop Raze in his lycan form; with one hand around the throat, and the other being used to break his arm, before violently breaking his neck and impaling him with his sword. In the prequel film, Viktor lifted a human by his throat then threw him against a pillar, killing him instantly.

He cast aside Selene (who was biting Michael and infecting him with the Vampire Strain of the Corvinus Virus) with one arm, and moments later, used one arm once again, to throw Michael through a solid concrete wall, and out into the flooded courtyard, of the Lycans' Den. He was also shown to be able to take on Michael once he was in his hybrid form, with the two appearing evenly matched despite Michael having only recently become a hybrid and only Viktor's experience allowing him the edge.

It can be assumed that Amelia also possessed this level of strength, as well as Marcus, well before his transformation into a Vampire-dominant Hybrid.

Elders also have the skill to organize their memories into a cohesive vision, a detailed record of their reign and the reign of the previous Elder who ruled, when passing their blood to another. This was known as the Chain, which aided in their ability to 'leapfrog' through time. If someone else that is not an Elder awakens an Elder, the awakened Elder can be plagued by incoherent thoughts and memories which are difficult for a non-Elder to organize.

As of the end of Underworld: Evolution, all three Vampire Elders are dead and their coven destroyed.

Other vampires

The Aristocrats and Nobles are the only other group of normal Vampires seen within the covens. They enjoy the high life, such as sex, parties, and taking full advantage of their immortality. They were often shown dawdling around the mansion in the first film, doing little but being hangers-on to Kraven. In contrast to the leather uniforms of the Death Dealers, they wear fine clothing of silks and velvet. Amelia is seen on the train with the Vampire Council, a powerful group of vampires who judge those who break Coven Law. The Vampire Council consists of the 12 most powerful and influential vampires, ranking below the Elders of course, in Underworld the Council members are assassinated along with Amelia by the Lycans while on the train, while in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans the High Council members along with their aides and lesser council members are killed by the Lycans while trying to flee the oncoming Lycan army.

Death Dealers

The Death Dealers originally were created by the first vampire Marcus Corvinus, to put down the threat by his twin brother, the werewolf William Corvinus. However, the original batch of Death Dealers came largely from Viktor's troops during his years as a Hungarian General. The Death Dealers, thus, were loyal to Viktor, instead of Marcus. The Death Dealers were successful in capturing William, as was their original purpose, but they skirted near to treason when they threatened to fire on a protesting Marcus. Death Dealers were also crucial in tracking down the band of lycans led by Lucian, and his right-hand-man, Raze.

The Death Dealers of the Old World Coven are led by Kahn, who is also the Weapons Master. After the werewolves manufactured UV bullets for their guns, Kahn took the idea and made a silver nitrate bullet that sent silver straight into their blood stream, making the silver impossible to dig out.

Through the years, the Death Dealers constantly upgraded their arsenal of weapons. From silver crossbows especially effective against lycans, they used guns with silver bullets. With the fall of Lucian and the rise of decadence and complacency in the vampire covens, the vampire race was split into Death Dealer warriors and aristocratic merrymaking types.

At the time of Underworld, the Death Dealers of the Old World Coven, Ordoghaz, were led by Kahn, the weapons master. There was infighting between the Death Dealers and Kraven's team of thugs led by Soren. Whether any of the Death Dealers survived the final battle in Lucian's lair at the end of the first film is unknown.


In the films, they have the ability to transform into bipedal, humanoid wolf-like creatures. They are a variation on werewolves and the term Lycan is derived from the Greek lycanthrope. In the films, Lycans are opposed by vampires.

Powers and abilities

In the Underworld films, Lycans display a number of greatly enhanced physical attributes. As with their rivals, the vampires, Lycans are immortal (William survived over 800 years of captivity with no food). They possess enhanced strength, speed, durability and regenerative abilities superior to that of most vampires in their Lycan form, and equal and or greater than in their human forms. As with wolves, Lycans also possess superior tracking skills, a highly sensitive sense of smell and are able to sense Vampires in close proximity to themselves. Lycans are also shown that in close combat they have the advantage over vampires as seen when almost no Lycans are killed in close quarters in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. They are also shown to easily overtake fully transformed vampires when they are transformed (unless it happens to be a hybrid or elder) as shown when Raze kills a seasoned death dealer seemingly effortlessly and quickly in Underworld.

Their bite releases the Lycan virus, which can aggressively overtake a normal human's physiology, causing them to become a Lycan as well. As explained by Selene in the first Underworld film though, a bite by either a Lycan or Vampire is typically lethal, suggesting that the majority of those bitten die rather than transform into either immortal race.

Similar to vampires, Lycans have the ability to easily survive falls from great altitudes by landing on their feet. Newly turned Lycan, Michael Corvin, displayed this ability in the first film, as well as several newly turned Lycans in the prequel film.

The difference between Lycans and werewolves is that Lycans can change into their werewolf form whenever they choose, (except newly turned Lycans that need the light of the full moon) while werewolves were "unable to take human form again."

[edit] Generations

William Corvinus's form of lycanthropy is the most primitive, and also the most powerful. He has the most lupine features, with a long muzzle and pointed ears giving him a marked resemblance to a real wolf. He is also far larger than his offspring. William is the most savage Lycan seen (with an insatiable appetite for rampage, according to Andreas Tanis), and also cannot revert to his human form. Unlike later Lycans, he has a full pelt of fur all over his body. It should also be noted that while every other Lycan seen in the films has black or gray fur, William's is mostly white with a blue color to it. He also has solid white eyes. It is unknown if William would have gained his human form back had he become a lycan-vampire hybrid.

1st generation: Original Werewolves

These Lycans were created after being bitten (or being killed then coming back to life as Lycans) by William. Similar to William, they are complete savages and thought to have no control over themselves and the inability to revert to a human form. Physically, they are more humanized facially, with a shorter snout (although still longer than the second-generation Lycans) and a lack of pointed ears. They have less fur than William, but more than their second-generation Lycan descendants, with more fur around the neck and arms. They were also never able to take human form again unless by death. Their progeny, though, seems to produce second generation Lycans as shown with Lucian's birth.

In the era of Lucian's early adulthood they seemed to gain a lot more of their original rational/human way of thinking. After several attacks by the Death Dealers, they began to create traps to better help them defeat the vampires and strategize. When members of the first generation Lycans first came into contact with the grown Lucian (in his Lycan form), they were able to tap into even more of their previously forgotten humanity. When he outright confronted them during a Vampire attack, roaring loudly, they retreated. Later when Lucian came into their main den in human form, the older Lycans inspected him and understood that he was a Lycan. They even accepted him into their pack and aided him when needed against the Vampires. During this aid, they came into contact with even more second generation Lycans in human form and seemed to understand that they were their brethren. It seems by the 21st century only a few were left, most were likely wiped out by Death Dealers.

2nd generation: Lycan Werewolves

These are modern Lycans descended from either being a progeny of first generation Lycans or by being infected via a bite from other second generation Lycans.
A Second-generation Lycan shown in Underworld. Note the physical similarities but lack of fur compared with first-generation Lycans.

Being less animalistic than the first generation, Viktor allowed Lucian to propagate more of this type. Due to their scent, first generation Lycans seem to recognize them as their brethren rather than human beings, even when untransformed.

They are able to transform back to their human forms, and change into Lycan form when the moon is full. Elder Lycans have learned to transform at will. They resemble 1st generation Lycans, but their faces are shorter, and the least wolf-like in appearance. They also have far less fur than the first-generation Lycans - they are mostly hairless, aside from a thin mane of fur running down the center of their backs.


While not a third race, a Hybrid is a fusion of Lycan and Vampire at a cellular level. As such, it is far more powerful than either species, with none of their weaknesses. The physical appearance of a Hybrid varies depending on the species it was first. A Lycan dominant Hybrid resembles a Lycan in appearance. However, their faces are only slightly elongated - appearing human on their first transformation and growing more lupine over time, and their eyes are completely black. They also have little or no fur, roars just like a lycan and blueish-grey skin. They have the talons and animalistic, feral posture of a Lycan. Michael Corvin is the only known Lycan-dominant hybrid. A Vampire dominant Hybrid, on the other hand, has physical attributes portraying its Vampiric ancestry. While both share the black eyes, grey skin, talons and musculature, a Vampire dominant Hybrid has noticeably bat-like ears flattened into its head, a bat-like nose, no fur, taloned wings, and the ability to speak. Marcus Corvinus is the only known vampire-dominant hybrid.

A third hybrid type is implied in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans. Viktor's daughter Sonja fell in love with Lucian and became pregnant with his child. Viktor eventually discovered this, and feared the blending of the species that would result when the child was born. Viktor condemned Sonja, her unborn child, and Lucian to death. Sonja was burnt alive by sunlight. Viktor explains to Selene in the first movie that the unborn child was a betrayal of him and the coven. However, there is no evidence on whether this type of hybrid would bear increased power or fewer weaknesses, it would likely have had equal lycan and vampire features in its hybrid form. There is also no evidence that the unborn child would have even continued to develop or survive birth due to the fact that Sonja's blood may not have been a pure enough source (Although the fact that she was, according to all evidence, born a vampire lends some weight to the idea that the pregnancy would have been successful). In the first film it is said that for the bloods to successfully produce a hybrid, the Vampire blood had to be from a pure source such a direct descendant in the Corvinus line. The Corvinus Strain has the only known gene able to combine the bloodlines of both Vampires and Lycans, which would normally destroy one another due to incompatibilities on the cellular level.

In terms of sheer strength, hybrids, even newly-turned ones, are far superior to either species; immediately after being turned, Michael demonstrated enough raw power to go up against the vampire Elder Viktor, with only Viktor's superior knowledge of combat allowing him to even come close to victory. Michael went on to easily dominate the various lycans he encountered in physical combat despite their greater bulk, even killing the original werewolf, William Corvinus, despite having only recently recovered from a near-fatal wound, although William's centuries of imprisonment might have contributed to his weakened state.

Although difficult, Hybrids can be killed. Michael was impaled through the chest by Marcus and apparently died, but he later managed to regenerate despite being apparently dead indicating that he was in a regenerative coma. Another example of how difficult it is to kill a Hybrid is when Selene kills Marcus. It took multiple point blank shotgun blasts to even slow him down and even after she impales part of his wing talon through his brain, he may have been able to regenerate had she not thrown him into the helicopter's rotors , dismembering his body and killing him. Completely dismembering the body seems to be the only way to kill a Hybrid as they are able to regenerate from any other physical trauma suffered. Hybrids have very few weaknesses: they are seemingly able to recover from any injury very quickly, Marcus continuing to pursue Selene even after receiving bullets to the head from point-blank range and only halting his pursuit due to serious injuries sustained to his wings. Also, Marcus expressed a weakness to sunlight, although it may or may not have been fatal to him and could have simply been a residual psychological 'fear' from centuries of vampirism rather than an actual physical weakness.

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division is the ultimate semitic protectionism
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