What is the difference between a Russell Means as a libertarian and a Koch/Murdoch as a libertarian? Similarly what is the difference between a Stalin as a socialist and an Evo Morales as a socialist?

While they may not admit it publically - the Koch's of the world necessitate a strong police state and lots of overt and covert support from the government to maintain their operations.

haha. re: getting rid of the cia and fbi is just bluster - they wouldn't dare. if people really knew how government greases the wheels for private interests(especially via the "black budget stuff") they would realize that all this tea party bullsh*t is just to give austerity(at the bankers demand) a nice populist face. after an engineered hit and run - there is a need for ideological cover for the slashing/burning and cutting(everything except the prized military industrial police secret state. ) as the pendulum swings back. i guess belt tightening just became rebellion.