"True change/conversion is only possible after a complete destruction of the other."

* There are many people who are dependent on the system, many people who would die due to their dependence on it and lack of knowledge of a different way. At a recent meeting I went to, someone made a really good point to me about this. Sometimes the pension fund managers are moving the school teacher's pension around so she doesn't get nailed when she is retired. The system perpetuates itself through things like this - the lack of alternatives binds us to it.

In nature, are things every really "completely destroyed?" Nature regenerates and recycles the same base elements to adapt to new circumstances and gives us an example of true change/conversion without total destruction. I guess it takes(as someone else pointed out to me) understanding what the base elements are and letting the transient fall as they may. Good and decent food, clothing, shelter, happiness, quality of life, access to resources to improve oneself and one's community. Currently we can not have social justice and have healthcare at the same time in the current setup. Government revenue is dependent on maintaining an empire - our healthcare would be fueled by the deaths of countless others. I have not seen this addressed in the health care debates - people want a socialism guaranteed by the insurance of perpetual growth of an empire economy. Europe/Canada's health care systems are made possible by the hegemonic military of the U.S.

Where are the financial tools, cultural capacity to fund social programs and allow for such funding without putting a gun to another person's head to guarantee tithes to the behemoth? I think it exists - and as you said, perhaps the Universe has something to show us in this regard.