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Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*

Posted By: karibkween
Date: Monday, 5 September 2011, at 5:03 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK* (karibkween)

Without limits for number of kids a donor can father, some parents, doctors have fears about negative consequences

By Jacqueline Mroz
updated 9/5/2011 1:27:30 PM ET

Cynthia Daily and her partner used a sperm donor to conceive a baby seven years ago, and they hoped that one day their son would get to know some of his half siblings — an extended family of sorts for modern times.

So Ms. Daily searched a Web-based registry for other children fathered by the same donor and helped to create an online group to track them. Over the years, she watched the number of children in her son’s group grow.

And grow.

Today there are 150 children, all conceived with sperm from one donor, in this group of half siblings, and more are on the way. “It’s wild when we see them all together — they all look alike,” said Ms. Daily, 48, a social worker in the Washington area who sometimes vacations with other families in her son’s group.

As more women choose to have babies on their own, and the number of children born through artificial inseminationincreases, outsize groups of donor siblings are starting to appear. While Ms. Daily’s group is among the largest, many others comprising 50 or more half siblings are cropping up on Web sites and in chat groups, where sperm donors are tagged with unique identifying numbers.

Now, there is growing concern among parents, donors and medical experts about potential negative consequences of having so many children fathered by the same donors, including the possibility that genes for rare diseases could be spread more widely through the population. Some experts are even calling attention to the increased odds of accidental incest between half sisters and half brothers, who often live close to one another.

“My daughter knows her donor’s number for this very reason,” said the mother of a teenager conceived via sperm donation in California who asked that her name be withheld to protect her daughter’s privacy. “She’s been in school with numerous kids who were born through donors. She’s had crushes on boys who are donor children. It’s become part of sex education” for her.

Critics say that fertility clinics and sperm banks are earning huge profits by allowing too many children to be conceived with sperm from popular donors, and that families should be given more information on the health of donors and the children conceived with their sperm. They are also calling for legal limits on the number of children conceived using the same donor’s sperm and a re-examination of the anonymity that cloaks many donors.

“We have more rules that go into place when you buy a used car than when you buy sperm,” said Debora L. Spar, president of Barnard College and author of “The Baby Business: How Money, Science, and Politics Drive the Commerce of Conception.” “It’s very clear that the dealer can’t sell you a lemon, and there’s information about the history of the car. There are no such rules in the fertility industry right now.”

Unlike other countries, including Britain, France and Sweden, there are no limits in the United States on how many children a sperm donor can father. There are only guidelines issued by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, a professional group that recommend restricting conceptions by individual donors to 25 births per population of 800,000.

No one knows how many children are born in this country each year using sperm donors. Some estimates put the number at between 30,000 and 60,000, perhaps more. Mothers of donor children are asked to report a child’s birth to the sperm bank voluntarily, but just 20 to 40 percent of them do so, said Wendy Kramer, founder of the Donor Sibling Registry.
Because of this dearth of records, many families turn to the registry’s Web site, donorsiblingregistry.com, for information about their child’s half brothers or half sisters.

Ms. Kramer, who had her son through a sperm donor, started the registry in 2000 to help connect so-called donor families. On the Web site, parents can register the birth of their child and find half siblings by looking up a number assigned to a sperm donor. Many parents, she said, are shocked to learn just how many half siblings their child has.

“They think their daughter may have a few siblings,” Ms. Kramer said, “but then they go on our site and find out their daughter actually has 18 brothers and sisters. They’re freaked out. I’m amazed that these groups keep growing and growing.”

Ms. Kramer said that some sperm banks in the United States have treated donor families unethically and that it is time to consider new legislation.

“Just as it’s happened in many other countries around the world,” Ms. Kramer said, “we need to publicly ask the questions ‘What is in the best interests of the child to be born?’ and ‘Is it fair to bring a child into the world who will have no access to knowing about one half of their genetics, medical history and ancestry?’

“These sperm banks are keeping donors anonymous, making women babies and making a lot of money. But nowhere in that formula is doing what’s right for the donor families.”

Many of those questions were debated in Britain shortly after the birth there, in 1978, of Louise Brown, the first baby born using in vitro fertilization. In 1982, the British government appointed a committee, led by Mary Warnock, a well-known English philosopher, to look into the issues surrounding reproductive health.

The groundbreaking Warnock Reportcontained a list of recommendations, including regulation of the sale of human sperm and embryos and strict limits on how many children a donor could father (10 per donor). The regulations have become a model for industry practices in other countries.

“It is quite unpredictable what the ultimate effect on the gene pool of a society might be if donors were permitted to donate as many times as they chose,” Baroness Warnock wrote recently in an e-mail.

Without limits, the same donor could theoretically produce hundreds of related children. And it is even possible that accidental incest could occur among hundreds of half siblings, said Naomi R. Cahn, a law professor at George Washington University and the author of “Test Tube Families: Why the Fertility Markets Need Legal Regulation.”

Sperm donors, too, are becoming concerned. “When I asked specifically how many children might result, I was told nobody knows for sure but that five would be a safe estimate,” said a sperm donor in Texas who asked that his name be withheld because of privacy concerns. “I was told that it would be very rare for a donor to have more than 10 children.”

He later discovered in the Donor Sibling Registry that some donors had dozens of children listed. “It was all about whatever they could get away with,” he said of the sperm bank to which he donated. “It is unfair and reprehensible to the donor families, donors and donor children.”

Ms. Kramer, the registry’s founder, said that one sperm donor on her site learned that he had 70 children. He now keeps track of them all on an Excel spreadsheet. “Every once in a while he gets a new kid or twins,” she said. “It’s overwhelming, and not what he signed up for. He was promised low numbers of children.”

The fertility industry has long resisted regulation, but the explosion of related half siblings may change that. Dr. Robert G. Brzyski, chairman of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine’s ethics committee, had been skeptical that there could be donors with more than 100 children. But now, he said, it is time to take

another look at donor limits.

“In the past, when decisions were made about how many children should be attributed to a donor, it was based on estimates of the risk of unintended consanguinity between brothers and sisters who could meet and marry,” Dr. Brzyski said. “I think those models were very limited in their vision when they were created. Now I think there needs to be a reassessment of the criteria and the policies regarding the appropriate number of offspring.”

Because there is so much secrecy surrounding sperm and egg donations, Ms. Kramer said, it has been difficult for families of children born via sperm donation to step forward with their concerns. Some heterosexual couples never tell a child that he or she is the product of a sperm donation.

Ms. Daily, the Washington social worker, said that other parents in her son’s group had been secretive because of fears that their children would be stigmatized. She and other donor parents are coming forward, she said, because they “need to start advocating for some regulation.”

Experts are not certain what it means to a child to discover that he or she is but one of 50 children — or even more. “Experts don’t talk about this when they counsel people dealing with infertility,” Ms. Kramer said. “How do you make connections with so many siblings? What does family mean to these children?”

1 sperm donor, 150 brothers and sisters

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Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 12:15 a.m.
Correction...
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 2:16 a.m.
Re: Correction...
discipleofmaat -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 7:03 a.m.
Re: Correction...
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 11:41 p.m.
Re: Correction...
discipleofmaat -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 8:06 a.m.
BYW, I am not...
discipleofmaat -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 8:15 a.m.
Re: BYW, I am not...
Noble Ras Heru -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 7:02 p.m.
I am still hoping for a metaphysical edification
discipleofmaat -- Wednesday, 29 July 2009, at 8:27 p.m.
Re: I am still hoping for a metaphysical edificati
Noble Ras Heru -- Wednesday, 29 July 2009, at 11:09 p.m.
Re: I am still hoping for a metaphysical edificati
discipleofmaat -- Thursday, 30 July 2009, at 7:47 a.m.
Re: I am still hoping for a metaphysical edificati
Noble Ras Heru -- Thursday, 30 July 2009, at 10:33 p.m.
The Semite controls the message... *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 12:51 p.m.
wow...WAG THE DOG *NM*
discipleofmaat -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 2:47 p.m.
Re: Correction...
Noble Ras Heru -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 6:59 p.m.
bear with me...
discipleofmaat -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 6:03 a.m.
Re: Correction...
discipleofmaat -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 9:31 a.m.
Re: Correction...
simon I -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 9:52 a.m.
bon appetit *NM*
discipleofmaat -- Wednesday, 29 July 2009, at 8:24 p.m.
Re: Correction...
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 31 July 2009, at 12:43 a.m.
Femine Superiority (but not Hierarchy)
discipleofmaat -- Sunday, 2 August 2009, at 10:29 a.m.
Re: Femine Superiority (but not Hierarchy)
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 4 August 2009, at 9:50 p.m.
LOL, put it in the fridge...
discipleofmaat -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 9:32 a.m.
Re: Femine Superiority (but not Hierarchy) *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 3 September 2009, at 12:08 p.m.
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discipleofmaat -- Friday, 4 September 2009, at 7:52 a.m.
Follow the Cattle/Bos
karibkween -- Friday, 4 September 2009, at 1:20 p.m.
Re: Follow the Cattle/Bos
discipleofmaat -- Saturday, 5 September 2009, at 8:44 a.m.
Re: Follow the Cattle/Bos *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 4 March 2011, at 2:49 p.m.
Re: Femine Superiority (but not Hierarchy) *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 2 November 2012, at 7:04 p.m.
Re: Femine Superiority (but not Hierarchy)
Noble Ras Heru -- Wednesday, 5 August 2009, at 11:31 p.m.
superiority is indeed an ugly connotation...
discipleofmaat -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 9:39 a.m.
Re: superiority is indeed an ugly connotation...
Noble Ras Heru -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 2:51 p.m.
Re: superiority is indeed an ugly connotation... *LINK*
discipleofmaat -- Monday, 10 August 2009, at 10:30 a.m.
Word/Sound/Power! *NM*
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 11 August 2009, at 10:56 p.m.
Re: superiority is indeed an ugly connotation...
discipleofmaat -- Monday, 10 August 2009, at 10:45 a.m.
Re: superiority is indeed an ugly connotation...
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 11 August 2009, at 11:02 p.m.
Parthenogenesis *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 8:04 p.m.
Re: Parthenogenesis
Noble Ras Heru -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 2:54 p.m.
Re: Parthenogenesis
karibkween -- Sunday, 9 August 2009, at 8:16 p.m.
Re: Parthenogenesis
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 11 August 2009, at 10:53 p.m.
Re: Parthenogenesis *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 12 September 2012, at 10:25 a.m.
WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 1 July 2011, at 2:53 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 1 July 2011, at 3:24 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 1 July 2011, at 3:51 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 1 July 2011, at 5:31 p.m.
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karibkween -- Friday, 1 July 2011, at 5:51 p.m.
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of ma'at -- Friday, 1 July 2011, at 8:41 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 8 July 2011, at 5:27 p.m.
Black on Black Crime *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 26 September 2011, at 6:53 p.m.
Re: Black on Black Crime *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 12 March 2012, at 12:08 p.m.
Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 2 July 2011, at 12:18 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 2 July 2011, at 12:38 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 8 July 2011, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 8 July 2011, at 12:33 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 21 July 2011, at 1:09 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 22 July 2011, at 6:22 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 5:03 p.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 9 September 2011, at 12:02 a.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 9 September 2011, at 12:06 a.m.
Re: Why we should keep our distance *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 22 September 2011, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 21 September 2011, at 3:46 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
simon I -- Friday, 8 July 2011, at 8:52 a.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
karibkween -- Friday, 8 July 2011, at 12:13 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
simon I -- Monday, 11 July 2011, at 3:03 a.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 13 July 2011, at 3:27 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 13 July 2011, at 4:18 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
karibkween -- Wednesday, 13 July 2011, at 7:36 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
RHEDMAN -- Thursday, 8 September 2011, at 10:27 a.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 8 September 2011, at 12:22 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
karibkween -- Thursday, 8 September 2011, at 1:35 p.m.
If you eat dead; abstain from weed. *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 28 December 2011, at 1:56 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
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three_sixty -- Wednesday, 13 July 2011, at 4:22 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
karibkween -- Wednesday, 13 July 2011, at 8:16 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME!
simon I -- Thursday, 14 July 2011, at 12:25 a.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 14 July 2011, at 12:10 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 16 July 2011, at 11:16 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 16 July 2011, at 11:44 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 19 July 2011, at 5:45 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 26 August 2011, at 5:19 p.m.
Re: WE ARE NOT THE SAME! *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 5 September 2011, at 5:35 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
simon I -- Friday, 24 July 2009, at 1:54 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 12:27 a.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
simon I -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 4:37 a.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 8:35 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
simon I -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 2:35 a.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 31 July 2009, at 1:59 a.m.
No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-white
seshatasefekht -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 4:11 p.m.
Re: No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-wh
discipleofmaat -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 4:53 p.m.
Re: No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-wh *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 10:25 p.m.
Re: No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-wh
discipleofmaat -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 10:45 a.m.
Re: No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-wh
Noble Ras Heru -- Sunday, 26 July 2009, at 8:54 p.m.
Re: No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-wh
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 27 July 2009, at 9:09 p.m.
Re: No Sexual Intercourse Between White and Non-wh
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 31 July 2009, at 12:58 a.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
seshatasefekht -- Saturday, 25 July 2009, at 9:51 p.m.
Seshata: WHERE did you get this from?
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 31 July 2009, at 12:46 a.m.
The United Independent Compensatory Code *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 4 August 2009, at 8:36 p.m.
Re: The United Independent Compensatory Code
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 4 August 2009, at 10:03 p.m.
Proceed with caution; *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 3 August 2009, at 5:08 p.m.
Re: Proceed with caution;
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 4 August 2009, at 10:05 p.m.
Eviction vs Exodus
karibkween -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 2:59 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Wednesday, 5 August 2009, at 11:45 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
seshatasefekht -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 9:55 p.m.
Give Thankhs Seshata:) *NM*
Noble Ras Heru -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 2:36 p.m.
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lord creator -- Tuesday, 28 July 2009, at 1:15 a.m.
To Quote the real "Eja"
karibkween -- Thursday, 30 July 2009, at 3:08 p.m.
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lord creator -- Friday, 31 July 2009, at 12:15 a.m.
karib kween
lord creator -- Friday, 31 July 2009, at 11:33 a.m.
Re: To Quote the real "Eja"
lord creator -- Friday, 7 August 2009, at 7:33 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing) *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 30 July 2009, at 3:30 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
RasMikel -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 12:33 a.m.
yeah when u look at the spread of people around th
lord creator -- Thursday, 6 August 2009, at 2:06 a.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 2:35 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
RasMikel -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 7:16 p.m.
Re: Food 4 Thought (Race Mixing)
Noble Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 11 August 2009, at 10:34 p.m.
Black Biblical Heritage
RasMikel -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 7:41 p.m.
Race.........Defined.
seshatasefekht -- Saturday, 8 August 2009, at 11:47 p.m.
What is Natural?
NB -- Monday, 7 September 2009, at 1:47 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 5:26 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 6:48 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 8:21 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Tuesday, 8 September 2009, at 9:18 p.m.
Re: What is Natural? *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 4:09 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 7:15 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 9:48 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 11:13 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
Noble Ras Heru -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 1:29 a.m.
Care to elaborate? *NM*
NB -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 7:35 a.m.
Re: Care to elaborate?
noble ras heru -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 10:14 p.m.
Be fruitful & multiply...
karibkween -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 10:40 p.m.
Re: Be fruitful & multiply...
noble ras heru -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 11:04 p.m.
Re: Be fruitful & multiply...
NB -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 11:23 a.m.
Re: Be fruitful & multiply...
karibkween -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 2:14 p.m.
Search Noah's Daughter-in-Law *NM*
karibkween -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 5:41 p.m.
Will do queen! *NM*
noble ras heru -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 11:03 p.m.
Re: Be fruitful & multiply... *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 9:43 p.m.
correction
karibkween -- Friday, 11 September 2009, at 9:48 p.m.
Re: Be fruitful & multiply...
Noble Ras Heru -- Sunday, 13 September 2009, at 1:06 a.m.
Voila!!!
karibkween -- Sunday, 13 September 2009, at 8:43 p.m.
Re: Voila!!!
noble ras heru -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:33 p.m.
Y-chromosomal Adam/Noah *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:27 p.m.
Re: Y-chromosomal Adam/Noah
noble ras heru -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:49 p.m.
Re: Y-chromosomal Adam/Noah
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 18 September 2009, at 1:58 a.m.
My search for Cain turned up Pelus/Pelasgi/Belus *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, at 3:00 p.m.
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karibkween -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, at 6:33 p.m.
Re: My search for Cain turned up Pelus/Pelasgi/Bel *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 23 September 2009, at 8:07 p.m.
The Heresy of Pe'or/Pe'ul *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Sunday, 11 October 2009, at 6:07 p.m.
The Western Migration came first... *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 18 December 2009, at 2:32 p.m.
Re: The Western Migration came first... *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 30 March 2010, at 3:04 p.m.
Re: The Western Migration came first...
karibkween -- Tuesday, 30 March 2010, at 8:28 p.m.
Re: My search for Cain turned up Pelus/Pelasgi/Bel *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Sunday, 20 June 2010, at 3:22 p.m.
Re: Be fruitful & multiply...
karibkween -- Friday, 18 September 2009, at 1:07 p.m.
My First Sentiments...
Noble Ras Heru -- Friday, 18 September 2009, at 1:54 p.m.
Got It! *NM*
karibkween -- Friday, 18 September 2009, at 2:40 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 September 2009, at 10:35 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 7:34 a.m.
Re: What is Natural? *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural? *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural? *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural? *NM* *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural? *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural? *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural?
selassielive -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 7:48 a.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 10:28 a.m.
Re: What is Natural?
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Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 5:27 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
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Re: What is Natural?
karibkween -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 11:16 a.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Thursday, 10 September 2009, at 5:59 p.m.
Got Crabs? *LINK*
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Re: What is Natural?
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Re: What is Natural?
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Re: What is Natural?
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Re: What is Natural?
noble ras heru -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 6:58 p.m.
The Gut Check
karibkween -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 7:57 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
NB -- Friday, 18 September 2009, at 6:19 p.m.
Seems like Nature is fighting it... *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, at 6:44 p.m.
Re: Seems like Nature is fighting it...
NB -- Saturday, 19 September 2009, at 9:02 p.m.
Re: Seems like Nature is fighting it...
Selassielive -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, at 10:10 a.m.
Re: Seems like Nature is fighting it...
Noble Ras Heru -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, at 1:15 p.m.
Instinct vs Will
karibkween -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, at 2:01 p.m.
Re: Instinct vs Will
NB -- Sunday, 20 September 2009, at 9:08 p.m.
Re: Instinct vs Will
karibkween -- Monday, 21 September 2009, at 12:18 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
simon I -- Monday, 14 September 2009, at 8:06 p.m.
Re: What is Natural?
selassielive -- Tuesday, 15 September 2009, at 8:52 a.m.
Re: What is Natural?
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"NATURAL MYSTIC"
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Re: What is Natural?
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Re: What is Natural? *NM* *LINK*
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