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Re: "Every soldier is some mother's son" *LINK*

Posted By: karibkween
Date: Thursday, 24 February 2011, at 6:52 p.m.

In Response To: "Every soldier is some mother's son" *LINK* (karibkween)

By PAUL SCHEMM, Associated Press Paul Schemm, Associated Press – 2 hrs 8 mins ago

BENGHAZI, Libya – Libyans in the eastern half of the country find themselves in an unimaginable situation: Freed from Moammar Gadhafi's rule for the first time in more than four decades.

Now citizens are figuring out how to run their own affairs and build up their military, as Gadhafi remains very much in power on the other side of the country.

It began as a series of small protests over the imprisonment of a human rights lawyer and then, in a week of increasingly bloody battles, the residents of Libya's second-largest city, Benghazi, found themselves, improbably, in charge.

Just days after the last government forces fled, the city appears orderly, with cars stopping at traffic lights, stores open and a new local government emerging where once all forms of social organizing were ruthlessly suppressed.

"We were not planning to make a revolt, it happened all of a sudden," said Fathi Turbel, the 39-year-old lawyer whose imprisonment sparked the protests. "People can't imagine how it all could have happened so quickly."

Following the example of their Egyptian neighbors, the Libyans quickly formed popular committees to guarantee basic security and began to talk to local academics, lawyers and experts to figure out how to run the city they had inherited.

The result, announced Thursday, was a 15-person city council of prominent figures, including Turbel.

He spoke to the Associated Press in the city's seaside courthouse, the focal point of last week's protests. Rallies still sprout up regularly outside as residents celebrate their long-denied right to pile into a square and chant slogans.

Under a 1973 law, it was illegal for four or more people to gather together because of Gadhafi's conspiracy fears and any type of civil organization was squashed. Now, said Turbel, they have to learn to work together.

Inside the courthouse it's a hub of activity as earnest young men and women bustle through the corridors putting together a new municipal apparatus, even while the dictator that ruled them for so long remains in his palace on the other side of the country.

"We have no experience whatsoever in this, so we resorted to the help of people who may know better than us, and so far, as you can see, it's working," said Atif el-Hasiya, an engineer now working for the new administration. "We're actually more organized than we were before."

The evidence outside seems to bear out his optimism. Traffic police have returned to the streets and the only jams are as people slow down to gawk at the burnt out remains of the symbols of the old regime.

New signs posted around the city say "Yes to opening bakeries, pharmacies, shops and yes to continuing normal life in Benghazi."

The crackle of gunfire, however, usually from someone firing an assault rifle in celebration, still splits the night and sometimes can be heard during the day. Officials admit a top priority is getting back the many guns that fell into people's hands after the chaos.

This is one of the main jobs of the new army that is slowly forming from the scattered units in the eastern half of the country that defected to the rebellion rather than shoot protesters.

It is only in recent days that the individual bands have formed an operations room to coordinate their actions and officers admit that so far no actions against the central government are planned. Instead, they are waiting for the rest of Gadhafi's forces to defect.

"We are hoping for a coup d'etat from the people around him," acknowledged Abu Ahmed, a senior activist involved in organizing the new government. He noted, though, that Libya's army, even when it was united, was not very strong.

"He pulled all the capabilities out of them. The only capabilities available in Libya were with Gadhafi's (private) security forces," he said, explaining that Gadhafi feared military coups and left the army with little in the way of ammunition.

For now, the troops who have defected say they are in contact with their colleagues in the western half of the country in an effort to convince them to do so as well.

Even amid the euphoria over the city's liberation, rumors are still rife about impending aerial bombardments, naval assaults or the reappearance of Gadhafi's dreaded African mercenaries, who residents claim have done much of his fighting.

There are also fears the Libyan leader's plainclothes agents still lurk among them, waiting for a chance to strike.

"We are not paranoid, but we are living a real situation in which we should feel paranoid and we should act paranoid in order to protect ourselves," said Abu Ahmed, who repeatedly ordered the door to his office closed so people in the hallway couldn't listen in.

"We know this place is really infiltrated by the security apparatus of the Gadhafi regime and the revolutionary committees trying to gather as much information as possible," he said.

During the struggle for Benghazi much of the city was untouched aside from the hated symbols of the old regime, though at least six houses of suspected members of the Revolutionary Committees were burned — the only private residences attacked.

As Turbel explained his vision of transforming Libya into a democratic state based on a constitution with all the relevant freedoms, an aide came in and whispered into his ear that an agent of Gadhafi had been caught outside the courtroom, spying on them.

Libya's second city learns to govern itself

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M . E . C . A . .... *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Sunday, 30 January 2011, at 5:39 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . ....
seshatasefekht -- Sunday, 30 January 2011, at 6:07 p.m.
The Gospel of Thomas
karibkween -- Sunday, 30 January 2011, at 8:15 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . ....
three_sixty -- Monday, 31 January 2011, at 12:04 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . ....
karibkween -- Monday, 31 January 2011, at 12:46 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . .... *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 1 February 2011, at 3:47 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . .... *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 1 February 2011, at 3:58 p.m.
Re: *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 2 February 2011, at 2:33 p.m.
Re: *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 2 February 2011, at 2:35 p.m.
for what it's worth *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 2 February 2011, at 2:40 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth
karibkween -- Wednesday, 2 February 2011, at 3:30 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *LINK*
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 2 February 2011, at 4:36 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 3 February 2011, at 2:51 p.m.
Neocons’ Tepid Reaction to the Egyptian Democratic *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Friday, 4 February 2011, at 3:48 p.m.
Re: Neocons’ Tepid Reaction to the Egyptian Democr
three_sixty -- Friday, 4 February 2011, at 3:52 p.m.
Re: Neocons’ Tepid Reaction to the Egyptian Democr
karibkween -- Friday, 4 February 2011, at 7:38 p.m.
Re: Neocons’ Tepid Reaction to the Egyptian Democr
three_sixty -- Friday, 4 February 2011, at 7:56 p.m.
Re: Neocons’ Tepid Reaction to the Egyptian Democr
karibkween -- Friday, 4 February 2011, at 7:58 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *LINK*
three_sixty -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 6:31 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth
karibkween -- Monday, 7 February 2011, at 8:39 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 2:15 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 8 February 2011, at 4:35 p.m.
"Every soldier is some mother's son" *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 2:10 p.m.
Re: "Every soldier is some mother's son" *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 2:17 p.m.
Re: "Every soldier is some mother's son" *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 2:58 p.m.
swiss assets frozen *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 4:30 p.m.
convenient coma? *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 17 February 2011, at 3:02 p.m.
Egypt’s Coup d'Etat *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 17 February 2011, at 3:30 p.m.
Re: Egypt’s Coup d'Etat
karibkween -- Friday, 18 February 2011, at 1:04 p.m.
W.W.T.S. ? *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Saturday, 19 February 2011, at 4:07 p.m.
Iran Naval Ships to Cross Suez Cana, 1st since '79 *NM* *LINK*
three_Sixty -- Sunday, 20 February 2011, at 10:33 p.m.
Re: Iran Naval Ships to Cross Suez Cana, 1st since
karibkween -- Tuesday, 22 February 2011, at 2:25 p.m.
The litmus test *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 23 February 2011, at 3:04 p.m.
Egypt vs. IMF *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 19 July 2011, at 11:37 p.m.
Egypt new PM claims more powers than predecessor *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Friday, 25 November 2011, at 3:04 p.m.
So what might I learn from this? *NM*
of ma'at -- Saturday, 26 November 2011, at 2:26 p.m.
Re: So what might I learn from this?
three_sixty -- Sunday, 27 November 2011, at 2:03 p.m.
Re: swiss assets frozen *LINK*
karibkween -- Sunday, 27 February 2011, at 11:51 p.m.
Re: swiss assets frozen *LINK*
three_sixty -- Monday, 28 February 2011, at 8:35 p.m.
Re: swiss assets frozen *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Monday, 28 February 2011, at 8:57 p.m.
word/power/truth
of ma'at -- Monday, 28 February 2011, at 9:16 p.m.
Re: swiss assets frozen
karibkween -- Tuesday, 1 March 2011, at 12:40 p.m.
Re: swiss assets frozen
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 1 March 2011, at 4:48 p.m.
Re: swiss assets frozen
karibkween -- Tuesday, 1 March 2011, at 5:19 p.m.
Consider This... *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 2 March 2011, at 11:53 a.m.
U.S. Prepares to Make Its Lunge at Libya’s Oil Fie *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 2 March 2011, at 5:56 p.m.
USA to the rescue of Libya...God Bless Obama!!! *LINK*
of ma'at -- Wednesday, 2 March 2011, at 8:35 p.m.
Mugabe...Chavez...YOU ARE NEXT!!! *NM*
of ma'at -- Wednesday, 2 March 2011, at 8:37 p.m.
Then there's this... *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 March 2011, at 8:02 p.m.
Re: Then there's this... *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 March 2011, at 8:09 p.m.
Re: Then there's this... *LINK*
karibkween -- Sunday, 13 March 2011, at 1:22 p.m.
this guy is usually on point. *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 3 March 2011, at 11:37 a.m.
So I reckon you can rule out sun flares *NM*
of ma'at -- Thursday, 3 March 2011, at 1:13 p.m.
Where is your Hero?
karibkween -- Thursday, 3 March 2011, at 2:20 p.m.
"the red button problem" *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 3 March 2011, at 5:47 p.m.
Re: "the red button problem" *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 3 March 2011, at 7:24 p.m.
Re: "the red button problem" *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Sunday, 6 March 2011, at 2:30 p.m.
Personal Responsibility & Accountability
karibkween -- Sunday, 6 March 2011, at 5:10 p.m.
Will you take the word of an Arab? *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Sunday, 13 March 2011, at 10:43 p.m.
Take his word for what? *NM*
three_sixty -- Monday, 14 March 2011, at 10:37 a.m.
Re: Take his word for what?
karibkween -- Monday, 14 March 2011, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Take his word for what?
three_sixty -- Monday, 14 March 2011, at 12:38 p.m.
Re: Take his word for what?
karibkween -- Monday, 14 March 2011, at 10:43 p.m.
yes *NM*
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 15 March 2011, at 11:03 a.m.
Re: Take his word for what? *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 28 June 2011, at 5:34 p.m.
'No question' Gadhafi ordered Pan Am bombing, *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Monday, 7 March 2011, at 10:54 a.m.
Re: 'No question' Gadhafi ordered Pan Am bombing, *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 7 March 2011, at 8:27 p.m.
Re: 'No question' Gadhafi ordered Pan Am bombing, *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 8 March 2011, at 12:23 p.m.
Re: 'No question' Gadhafi ordered Pan Am bombing, *LINK*
karibkween -- Tuesday, 8 March 2011, at 7:44 p.m.
Why the finger-pointing all of a sudden? *NM*
of ma'at -- Tuesday, 8 March 2011, at 3:20 p.m.
Is Kenya Next? *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 March 2011, at 7:53 p.m.
Re: "Every soldier is some mother's son" *LINK*
karibkween -- Thursday, 24 February 2011, at 6:52 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 11 February 2011, at 2:29 p.m.
Re: for what it's worth *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 11:36 a.m.
As I have been saying all along... *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 9 February 2011, at 10:37 p.m.
Did the US Give Green Light for Ben Ali’s Overthro *LINK*
three_sixty -- Monday, 12 December 2011, at 6:05 p.m.
Re: Did the US Give Green Light for Ben Ali’s Over *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 14 December 2011, at 1:32 p.m.
The Eye of Providence changing shape? *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 14 December 2011, at 11:30 p.m.
Re: The Eye of Providence changing shape?
three_sixty -- Thursday, 15 December 2011, at 4:20 p.m.
China likely remembers . . . *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 15 December 2011, at 4:22 p.m.
Smugglers, Patriots, and Masons *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 15 December 2011, at 4:24 p.m.
Re: Smugglers, Patriots, and Masons *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 15 December 2011, at 4:26 p.m.
Re: The Eye of Providence changing shape? *LINK*
karibkween -- Saturday, 17 December 2011, at 1:43 p.m.
Re: The Eye of Providence changing shape?
three_sixty -- Monday, 19 December 2011, at 5:46 p.m.
Have you viewed the homepage video on Libya? *NM*
karibkween -- Friday, 16 December 2011, at 5:50 p.m.
Where would I find this? *NM*
three_sixty -- Monday, 19 December 2011, at 5:38 p.m.
Re: Where would I find this? *NM* *LINK*
karibkween -- Monday, 19 December 2011, at 8:33 p.m.
re: *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 15 February 2011, at 12:54 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . .... *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 23 February 2011, at 9:53 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . .... *LINK*
karibkween -- Friday, 4 March 2011, at 12:30 p.m.
Re: M . E . C . A . .... *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Friday, 4 March 2011, at 8:15 p.m.
Why we are here?: ãÍãÏ ÇáÈæÚÒíÒí ! Mohamed Bouazzi *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Friday, 23 December 2011, at 9:51 a.m.

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