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Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"

Posted By: sabbah
Date: Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 4:04 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes" (rasi)

I am sorry to skew off from the original post from Baba Ras Marcus. Forgive I if this tangent is undesired. I am suggesting that “a form” of Anarcho-Syndicalism would help the upliftment of the masses. I am not sure that it has been effectively utilized but I think it represents society’s best option and deserves closer examination.

there will always be those who act out of selfishness, to ask if this social model will end corruption is like asking if any social organization (or anything at all) can eradicate an emotion or desire; negative or positive. Humans will always be humans. However, social organizations such as the ones presented in forms of anarchism minimize the thought of personal necessity and eliminates “reward” for such behavior, while also providing a greater ability to recognize and correct those individuals who attempt to act so. There is no exploitation of the many for the benefit of an individual few. In a true anarchistic society there are no “leaders” because there is no social heirarchy. The people must lead themselves. Just as the means of production are spread equally so too are the fruits of that production. It is in some ways similar to the socialist model. However, many socialist seek to use the state to create a stateless society, anarchists realize that you cannot use the thing you wish destroy for your liberation. (I do not intend to defame socialism or to lump all socialist ideals into one stereotype.) Capitalism is modern day slavery, and the State is the means of coercion to keep the slave working. We will never be “free” as long as we attempt to use our oppressor as a means to free us.

Aspects of anarchism and anarchism as a way of life existed in African societies prior to colonization. Europeans may have re-interpreted and expressed anarchist thought in their own language and attempted to lay claim to “creating” it, but it has been around far longer than that. It perhaps was not “defined” as such by African societies but the similarities to indigenous ways of life are impossible to ignore. One would not need to describe a way of life to another one who was living it. I imagine it would be unnecessary and difficult to express something like this, it would be like describing what water tastes like.

I am not the most articulate on this subject and am certainly no expert. Perhaps the more I study the more I will differ from this. However, it does deserve closer examination and real consideration as a more healthy and prosperous way of life and social organization (or lack thereof). And probably more in line with our indigenous/original ways of life. I would encourage ones to research and come to their own conclusions.

Messages In This Thread

True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African Roots
ras marcus -- Monday, 11 June 2007, at 10:07 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 12:58 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Oshun Auset -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 3:49 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R *LINK*
rosalind -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 9:31 a.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 1:11 p.m.
Re: clarrification re link *LINK*
rosalind -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 1:32 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 12:56 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 1:16 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 1:49 p.m.
Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"
sabbah -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 3:54 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes" *LINK*
rasi -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 5:31 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"
sabbah -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 6:16 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"
rasi -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 6:42 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"
sabbah -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 4:04 a.m.
Sabbah and Rasi... *LINK*
Oshun Auset -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 4:44 p.m.
Typo
Oshun Auset -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 4:52 p.m.
Re: Sabbah and Rasi...
rasi -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 5:26 p.m.
Re: Sabbah and Rasi...
sabbah -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 4:28 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"
jahchanah -- Monday, 18 June 2007, at 4:19 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Preserves the "State" and "Classes"
sabbah -- Tuesday, 19 June 2007, at 1:29 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
selassielive -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 3:55 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 5:22 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
selassielive -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 5:52 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 6:28 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
selassielive -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 7:19 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 6:05 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Oshun Auset -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 7:39 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:48 a.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Oshun Auset -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 12:23 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
selassielive -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 4:13 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
rasi -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 11:11 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
ras marcus -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 10:33 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Akymanah -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 4:58 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
ras marcus -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 10:11 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Fyahman -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 1:37 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Ras Heru -- Tuesday, 12 June 2007, at 10:49 p.m.
The State Of The African Union.
ras marcus -- Wednesday, 13 June 2007, at 9:25 p.m.
Re: True Unity Must Be Cultivated by The African R
Oshun Auset -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 7:26 p.m.
last post for Rasi *NM*
Oshun Auset -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 7:27 p.m.
Re: last post for Rasi
rasi -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 10:21 p.m.
Re: last post for Rasi
Oshun Auset -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 2:06 p.m.
Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Profit
ras marcus -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 9:28 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
rasi -- Thursday, 14 June 2007, at 10:36 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
selassielive -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 12:41 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 12:42 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 5:50 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 7:04 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 11:06 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 3:23 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 7:33 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 7:39 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 9:32 a.m.
OH MY GOD...HE'S YELLING...OH DEAR
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 11:13 a.m.
Priest Adofo and Disciple...
rosalind -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 12:49 p.m.
Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
ras marcus -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 3:48 p.m.
Re: Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
Ras Heru -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 4:53 p.m.
Re: Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
ras marcus -- Saturday, 16 June 2007, at 10:37 p.m.
Re: Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
selassielive -- Sunday, 17 June 2007, at 12:38 a.m.
Re: Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
ras marcus -- Sunday, 17 June 2007, at 9:49 p.m.
Re: Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
selassielive -- Sunday, 17 June 2007, at 10:26 p.m.
Re: Let Us not Argue, Let Us Just Reason ...
ras marcus -- Monday, 18 June 2007, at 4:18 p.m.
Re: Priest Adofo and Disciple...
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 17 June 2007, at 8:49 a.m.
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo...
rosalind -- Sunday, 17 June 2007, at 10:19 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
selassielive -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 9:26 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
rosalind -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:00 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
selassielive -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:30 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
sabbah -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 12:09 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
rosalind -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 2:40 p.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
rasi -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:13 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
selassielive -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:43 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
rasi -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:50 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
selassielive -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 10:54 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
sabbah -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 11:53 a.m.
Re: Capitalism Is To Under Pay Workers And Keep Pr
Oshun Auset -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 1:04 p.m.
Nicely stated Sistren! *NM*
rosalind -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 2:52 p.m.
word/power *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 3:28 p.m.
Greed And Dishonesty Nourishes Capitalism
ras marcus -- Friday, 15 June 2007, at 11:51 p.m.

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