Posted By: selassielive In Response To: Re: word/power/truth (Eja)
Date: Saturday, 4 November 2006, at 9:37 a.m.
In Response To: Re: word/power/truth (Eja)
"No disrespect but you contradict yourself with your first sentence. "0 has NO meaning" you say. Which could be rephrased as "0 has ZERO meaning. A sentence that contains self-cancelling logic."
Logically speaking, zero/nothiness does not follow the rules. For instance:
Anything is better than nothing.
Nothing is better than Jah.
Therefore, anything is better than Jah.
When trying to describe "nothing" logically fallacies are not unsual.
"I described 0 as being the SOURCE. By that, I mean that 0 contains ALL known (and unknown numbers)."
I feel you philosophically. Eastern teachings have pondered on the nature of nothingness/emptiness/void. Buddhist define it as "being" the state of Nirvana/enlightenment. Taoist define it as non-being (wu-wei) which cant be named or formed. If one were able to quantify/name/form it, it would go from the infinite to the finite. Many cultures have done this inorder to overstand the Icept of a God or the creator. The manifested becomes "1" or a "thing"...a unit. 1 is the building block of all other numbers/things. This was the significance in the "monothiesm/ego" thread.
Therefore, this Icept of zero (like infinity) exists in the Mind. We cant mistake them for reality (physical world) or it will no longer be empty or void or infinite.
Mathematically speaking zero has no basis except as a place holder. It does not follow the rules of mathematics. Nor the rules of metaphysics which describe "what is". A while ago, Disciple and I reasoned on the nature of the void and vacuum. I was coming from a theoretical/philosophical view and he was coming from a realistic/metaphysical view that there can never be a vacuum nor Zero point energy because their will always be some kind of matter present whether enertia, electromagnet field, gravity, etc. He was correct in his assertation Icerning the manifested world...opposed to the theoretical/philosophical.
"All numbers in themselves have no meaning beyond what we give them, numbers are simply a part of the language used by humans to interpret what is percieved by human senses. And human senses we should remember only percieve within a given spectrum. What we do not know, what we cannot sense, what has no effect on us in fact does not exist. The fact that other beings may sense these things, percieve them and be affected by them is of no consequence to us. What we do not know, what has no effect on us, what we cannot percieve does not exist. For now. Because such things may later come to our knowledge or have an effect on us. Then, they will exist."
We use language to gain overstanding of all things. It can limit us in our overstanding...the same with our senses. You seem to contradict yourself when you say that what we cannot perceive does not exist. That would mean that zero, nor infinity does not exist because we cant perceive them with our senses. We can only attempt to perceive them with our minds.
"We make the world with our senses, as do all other beings in creation."
Where does intuition and other non-quantifiable forms of knowledge come into play?
"If you re-examine the definitions I have used when speaking of nothing, it is that such a term refers to the state of NO THINGS. It is in this state, where there are no things, that we find the POTENTIAL for ALL THINGS."
I know where you are coming from Idren. The nature of zero has baffled people for centuries. The study of it was considered heresy by the catholic church. Zero is a very powerful creation of the mind which cant be manifested in the physical other than symbol. Otherwise, it becomes "some-thing".
If science and spirituality are twins, zero severs them at the hip.
Give thanks for the reasoning
Iron sharpens iron
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