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Re: Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?

Posted By: Ras Shawn Naphtali
Date: Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 6:28 a.m.

In Response To: Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?? *LINK* (Pianke Nubiyang)

Hotep Pianke Nubiyang

I give thanks for your important intervention and points you raise.

You say: "Regardless of how 'pleasant' some British people think they are on race relations -- if they are using Black men to create a 'mulatto' class, they they are just as racist as their cousins in the US and South Africa."

True none of us on either side of the Atlantic should be getting complacent. Race relations in Britain is just as much a folly as in the States but just looks and feel different, but it's the same thing. White/male/supremacy racist prejudices that half the people don't even realise they still have in their system. It is so natural the first they say/think is "I'm not a racist but...." Any 'pleasantness' of British race relations is just hiding a festering inequality underneath. Be sure to know that in the UK Bredrin and Sistrin are just as aware, strong and vocal as SoulJAH's in the US or elsewhwere. But also just like the US there are ones who still choose to bury there heads and pretend like everything hunky dory with the 'massa'.

Just like colourism in the US, in the UK the elephant in the room of the black community is the fact that some (too many) black men are not in the lives of their pickney, light AND dark skinned. And just like colourism in the US this is a legacy of the MAAFA and white supremacy, but is still something we need to be honest about, address and change from within our communities. This is not about solely a picture of white female man traps as you describe it. Yeah that goes on, but this is as much to do with the lack of self knowledge & strength these black men have (legacy of the Maafa). They look for validation in going with and breeding up white women, but then don't have the strength of character to take any responsibility, and the child gets cast adrift in a colour struggle, and as you rightly say, this mullato offspring is being told that black people 'this & that' by their white family, but with no black father to show them different or defend that position as positive examples then how that ever going to change?

The solution you give is: "It is time for Black man and Black people in Britain, the US, the Caribbean, Africa and elsewhere to stop this mixing foolishness."

Well I personally know that but mixing is SO rife and 'normal' over here that that message won't get anywhere as the first line of battle. I'm here with my pure black wife and my 2 pure black children, (I'm Bajan heritage, my wife Jamaican heritage - both African! LOL). But that solution is easier said than done unless we confront the elephants in the room and be honest about what is going on. There are many strong black/white relationships and marraiges over here where the black man has knowledge of self and teaches the mixed race pickney to be be proud of their black self, (sounds confused I know, but no irony). I personally know that way isn't for me but I can't judge that. But there is another trend of man breeding up and moving on just for the hunt. No wonder then that nothing positive would come of that for the black community.

On this thread I never disputed the importance of discussing colorism. But for me there it too many woods & trees so again have to withdraw and Reason about these many seperate important issues in a clearer thread. (Not completely seperate as of course as they are all related, but to tackle any one of them properly and effectively we need to be clear about which aspect we are discussing at any one time. That is why I needed clarity on this thread.)

Hotep.

I give much thanks for your Reasoning.

Each One Teach One

Ras Shawn Naphtali

Messages In This Thread

Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Ras Tyehimba -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 7:35 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
rasi -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 2:48 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 4:26 p.m.
WHITE SUPREMACY IS THE CAUSE *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Thursday, 17 August 2006, at 4:38 a.m.
Re: great post like usual! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 1:36 p.m.
KENYA: The Color Divide
Ayinde -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 10:31 p.m.
why the resistance?
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 11:06 p.m.
240 undergrad students at the University of Georgi
seshatasefekht -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 12:04 a.m.
Did white America care
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 3:48 a.m.
Re: Did white America care
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 7:10 a.m.
Re: Did white America care
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 2:40 p.m.
Re: 240 undergrad students at the University of Ge
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 8:56 a.m.
Re: why the resistance? *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 1:29 p.m.
But to american blacks, light IS better
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 1:40 p.m.
My honest thoughts on this.......
Seek Inghimself -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 2:46 p.m.
NO WAY!!! MOST BLACK AMERICANS LOVE BLACK SKIN *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 3:22 p.m.
Re: NO WAY!!! MOST BLACK AMERICANS LOVE BLACK SKIN
Seek Inghimself -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 7:25 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?? *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 2:12 a.m.
Re: Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 6:28 a.m.
Re: Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 2:20 p.m.
BLACKS MIXING IN A SEA OF WHITES IS GENOCIDE *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 1:18 a.m.
Re: BLACKS MIXING IN A SEA OF WHITES IS GENOCIDE
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 3:04 a.m.
Commission on Integration and Cohesion *LINK*
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 4:39 a.m.
Just to add that.....
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 2:35 p.m.
White 'Light' and GOD.
Seek Inghimself -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 9:41 p.m.
Give thankhs for all the self/truths on this *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 1:04 a.m.
allegorically, did any one come to rescue joseph..
seshatasefekht -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 2:35 p.m.
Re: allegorically, did any one come to rescue jose
discipleofthenile -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 2:57 p.m.
Re: allegorically, did any one come to rescue jose
seshatasefekht -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 6:03 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
mimi -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 1:27 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 5:21 a.m.
study of "colorism" in the American workplace
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 8:44 a.m.
Finally!
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 8:55 a.m.
Finally! what?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:07 p.m.
reality check: this is slander....
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:25 p.m.
are you reason-able or showboating? *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:31 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 6:04 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 6:31 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 9:49 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:22 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:57 p.m.
"colorism" in the American workplace or.......
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:05 p.m.
totality
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:28 p.m.
Ras Tyehimba, purpose of this post? more divide? *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:32 p.m.
more truth...face it *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:29 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Eja -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:50 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Leslie -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:15 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 5:38 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Leslie -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 7:23 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
you areth a protectionisthe *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:25 p.m.
take another hit *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 6:03 p.m.
ras tyehimba, who is really tagteaming here? *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:07 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Eja -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:14 p.m.
Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 7:07 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
rasi -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 3:11 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
rasi -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 6:39 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 7:20 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
Leslie -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 7:50 p.m.
freedom is a hapi slave *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 9:05 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 3:40 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 12:08 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Leslie -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 10:56 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 1:13 p.m.
Skin tone more important for Africans/Caribeans...
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 1:21 p.m.

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