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Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans

Posted By: Leslie
Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 10:56 a.m.

In Response To: Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK* (Ras Tyehimba)

This study does not give a clear indication of which race of people is being accused of color prejudices although one paragraph does give an indication that they were evaluating based on the comfort levels of Whites:

"Our results indicate that there appears to be a skin tone preference in regards to job selection," said Harrison. "This finding is possibly due to the common belief that fair-skinned blacks probably have more similarities with whites than do dark-skinned blacks, which in turn makes whites feel more comfortable around them."

It seems that the researcher's main intention was to show the disparity in the economic situation between light skin people and dark skin Blacks based on color prejudices which he also considers to be colorism.

I have seen colorism defined two ways by Americans. One meaning is specific to Black on Black color discriminations: "Colorism, not racism, is the correct term for describing the prejudices that Afrikans hold about each other and seemingly use against or to the advantage of themselves and others of relatively similar complexion."

The other meaning is more general: "Colorism is a global form of discrimination and occurs where lighter skin tones are preferred, and darker skin tones are considered to be less desirable."

Even though I believe that the second definition is more appropriate, it is still lacking because it does not incorporate the element of racism which is critical when dealing with colorism, although it is generally understood that both definitions are based on racism. Colorism in its broader meaning highlights more how the system negatively impacts dark-skin Blacks the most, whereas the extreme effects of the system on dark-skin Blacks is hidden somewhat under the general banner of racism.

So charging Whites with colorism does not absolve them from a simultaneous charge of racism. The issue of colorism can never be devoid of racism because it was developed in this epoch, beginning in the period of enslavement, based on notions of inferiority and superiority of races, which was also annexed to color. It is also true to say that one’s race is also largely (though not solely) determined by one’s color so that the dynamic of colorism cannot be dealt with without first considering race.

Further, given how race is poorly defined by U.S standards where mixed race, light skin people and even White people are considered Black if they have one drop of ‘Black blood’, if the argument remains only about racism, then the extreme effects of the system on dark skin Blacks cannot be addressed properly. People could still continue to play off on their color prejudice and not be accused of racism if we do not focus on color discrimination/colorism.

I even see in South Africa, for example, where Blacks are accusing Black Africans of racism towards other Black Africans. By a principled definition of racism they are also very correct. They can never claim that Black Africans are responsible for institutional racism, but the charge of racism by Blacks towards other Blacks could be made based on how one defines racism.

Messages In This Thread

Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Ras Tyehimba -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 7:35 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
rasi -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 2:48 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 16 August 2006, at 4:26 p.m.
WHITE SUPREMACY IS THE CAUSE *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Thursday, 17 August 2006, at 4:38 a.m.
Re: great post like usual! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 1:36 p.m.
KENYA: The Color Divide
Ayinde -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 10:31 p.m.
why the resistance?
discipleofthenile -- Friday, 18 August 2006, at 11:06 p.m.
240 undergrad students at the University of Georgi
seshatasefekht -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 12:04 a.m.
Did white America care
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 3:48 a.m.
Re: Did white America care
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 7:10 a.m.
Re: Did white America care
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 2:40 p.m.
Re: 240 undergrad students at the University of Ge
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 8:56 a.m.
Re: why the resistance? *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 1:29 p.m.
But to american blacks, light IS better
discipleofthenile -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 1:40 p.m.
My honest thoughts on this.......
Seek Inghimself -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 2:46 p.m.
NO WAY!!! MOST BLACK AMERICANS LOVE BLACK SKIN *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 3:22 p.m.
Re: NO WAY!!! MOST BLACK AMERICANS LOVE BLACK SKIN
Seek Inghimself -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 7:25 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?? *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 2:12 a.m.
Re: Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 6:28 a.m.
Re: Lightskinned Blacks not knowing Black fathers?
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 2:20 p.m.
BLACKS MIXING IN A SEA OF WHITES IS GENOCIDE *LINK*
Pianke Nubiyang -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 1:18 a.m.
Re: BLACKS MIXING IN A SEA OF WHITES IS GENOCIDE
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 3:04 a.m.
Commission on Integration and Cohesion *LINK*
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 4:39 a.m.
Just to add that.....
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Thursday, 24 August 2006, at 2:35 p.m.
White 'Light' and GOD.
Seek Inghimself -- Saturday, 19 August 2006, at 9:41 p.m.
Give thankhs for all the self/truths on this *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 1:04 a.m.
allegorically, did any one come to rescue joseph..
seshatasefekht -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 2:35 p.m.
Re: allegorically, did any one come to rescue jose
discipleofthenile -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 2:57 p.m.
Re: allegorically, did any one come to rescue jose
seshatasefekht -- Sunday, 20 August 2006, at 6:03 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
mimi -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 1:27 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans *LINK*
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 5:21 a.m.
study of "colorism" in the American workplace
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 8:44 a.m.
Finally!
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 8:55 a.m.
Finally! what?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:07 p.m.
reality check: this is slander....
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:25 p.m.
are you reason-able or showboating? *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:31 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 6:04 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 6:31 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 9:49 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:22 p.m.
Re: are you reason-able or showboating?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:57 p.m.
"colorism" in the American workplace or.......
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:05 p.m.
totality
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:28 p.m.
Ras Tyehimba, purpose of this post? more divide? *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:32 p.m.
more truth...face it *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:29 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Eja -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 2:50 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Leslie -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:15 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Ras Shawn Naphtali -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 5:38 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Leslie -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 7:23 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
you areth a protectionisthe *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 10:25 p.m.
take another hit *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 6:03 p.m.
ras tyehimba, who is really tagteaming here? *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:07 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Eja -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 3:14 p.m.
Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 21 August 2006, at 7:07 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
rasi -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 3:11 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
rasi -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 6:39 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 7:20 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
Leslie -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 7:50 p.m.
freedom is a hapi slave *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 9:05 p.m.
Re: Survey: for African Amoricans on Board
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 23 August 2006, at 3:40 p.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 12:08 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
Leslie -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 10:56 a.m.
Re: Skin tone more important for African Americans
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 1:13 p.m.
Skin tone more important for Africans/Caribeans...
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 22 August 2006, at 1:21 p.m.

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