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Re: what is man: chaos or order?

Posted By: selassielive
Date: Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 9:16 a.m.

In Response To: Re: what is man: chaos or order? (seshatasefekht)

Greetings Seshata
selassielives, when you state:

"But many chose to try to remain at the extremes." , does freedom of choice exist? how does enviroment and education dictate 'choice'?

because, 'even the separated nazarite' is dependent on his/her enviroment and education.

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I posted before on this thread on whether free will was really "free' will. If good and evil existed unto themselves, then free will would not make any difference. Good and Evil would still exist regardless of whether one has a choice to commit 'good' or 'bad/evil' acts.

I also asked whether nature(environment) or nurture was responsible for shaping ones idea of good and bad/evil?

But if they existed independant of anything, none of that would matter either.

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it is near impossible to be in the world and not of the world.

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I agree. But that is what asceticism is all about. But one has to be careful of self mortification.

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selassielives, when you ask:

"Should order and chaos be equated with goodness and badness/evil respectively?", try plugging "order/chaos" into the original post on 'evil' by bantu-kelani in exchange for "good/evil".

is a cataclysm evil or chaotic? timing is everything.....relative.

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Chaos and order has no value judgements placed upon them. Chaos brings forth order. So Chaos is neither good nor evil..it just is. The universe was said to be created out of chaos, but was that evil?

Im my opinion, "good" and "bad/evil" are value judgements.

Therefore it is relative because ones have different values and cultures.

Give thanks for the reasoning.

Messages In This Thread

DOES EVIL EXIST?
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 2:20 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 8:52 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 9:15 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 9:28 a.m.

I see it but..
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 10:08 a.m.

Re: I see it but..
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 10:40 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 1:05 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 1:37 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 1:57 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 2:17 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 3:50 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 5:48 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 6:22 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 6:38 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 11:26 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 12:23 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 3:08 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 3:29 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 4:51 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 5:50 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 6:08 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
seshatasefekht -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 9:48 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 1:33 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 1:44 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 2:12 p.m.

good point *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 2:22 p.m.

DOES EVIL EXIST?
Ras Heru -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 5:02 p.m.

hotep ras heru
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 5:25 p.m.

Re: hotep ras heru
Ras Heru -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 6:07 p.m.

...but scared to sight it!!! *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 5:27 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 6:31 p.m.

give thankhs 4 word/sound *NM*
Ras Heru -- Monday, 13 March 2006, at 7:43 p.m.

Evil in Taoism
selassielive -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 8:21 a.m.

seen *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 9:02 a.m.

what is man: chaos or order?
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 9:33 a.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 9:40 a.m.

ages of 'chaos' or 'order'? *NM* *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 9:44 a.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
selassielive -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 10:58 a.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
livelyup -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 7:10 p.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
seshatasefekht -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 10:01 p.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
selassielive -- Tuesday, 14 March 2006, at 10:44 p.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 8:41 a.m.

Re: what is man: chaos or order?
selassielive -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 9:16 a.m.

Choice/Nature
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 9:34 a.m.

Re: Choice/Nature
selassielive -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 9:51 a.m.

hotep, my oversight
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 10:17 a.m.

Do animals/plants have choice...are they judged? *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 9:38 a.m.

Re: Do animals/plants have choice...are they judge
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 10:12 a.m.

Re: Do animals/plants have choice...are they judge
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 10:21 a.m.

Re: Do animals/plants have choice...are they judge
livelyup -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 8:39 p.m.

Re: Do animals/plants have choice...are they judge
discipleofthenile -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 8:30 a.m.

seen... *NM*
livelyup -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 10:18 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 10:16 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 10:39 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 11:08 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 11:16 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 11:38 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 11:46 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 8:42 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 9:03 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 10:23 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST? *LINK*
three_sixty -- Friday, 17 March 2006, at 9:26 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Monday, 20 March 2006, at 6:45 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Monday, 20 March 2006, at 9:15 p.m.

typos corrected, my apologies
three_sixty -- Monday, 20 March 2006, at 9:20 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Monday, 20 March 2006, at 9:33 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Monday, 20 March 2006, at 10:40 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 21 March 2006, at 8:27 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 12:00 a.m.

seth vs ausar? *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 9:54 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 10:40 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST? *NM* *LINK*
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 21 March 2006, at 8:27 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 12:05 a.m.

sethian vs ausarian? *NM*
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 9:55 a.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian?
livelyup -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 9:26 p.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian?
seshatasefekht -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 10:02 p.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian? *LINK*
livelyup -- Thursday, 23 March 2006, at 2:15 a.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian? *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Thursday, 23 March 2006, at 10:03 a.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian?
livelyup -- Thursday, 23 March 2006, at 10:10 p.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian? *LINK*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 23 March 2006, at 10:42 a.m.

Re: sethian vs ausarian?
livelyup -- Thursday, 23 March 2006, at 10:22 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST? *LINK*
three_sixty -- Sunday, 26 March 2006, at 7:44 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST? *LINK*
three_sixty -- Sunday, 26 March 2006, at 7:52 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
karibkween -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 12:23 p.m.

Laws of NTR teach us!
Ras Heru -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 2:28 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 2:40 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
selassielive -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 6:33 p.m.

seen *NM*
three_sixty -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 8:59 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST? *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 11:51 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 8:57 a.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
livelyup -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 8:45 p.m.

Re: DOES EVIL EXIST?
three_sixty -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 9:00 a.m.

jack and the 'beans'talk? *NM* *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 9:45 a.m.

jack and his mother lived happily ever after *LINK*
seshatasefekht -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 9:58 a.m.

Re: jack and his mother lived happily ever after
three_sixty -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 10:18 a.m.

Re: jack and his mother lived happily ever after
livelyup -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 10:27 p.m.

humpty dumpty/ the humpty dance
seshatasefekht -- Thursday, 16 March 2006, at 11:54 p.m.

Re: humpty dumpty/ the humpty dance
livelyup -- Friday, 17 March 2006, at 12:28 a.m.

Re: too deep!
Bantu-Kelani -- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, at 5:59 a.m.

Did anyone say YES or NO to the question yet? *NM*
discipleofthenile -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 2:22 p.m.

Re: Did anyone say YES or NO to the question yet? *LINK*
karibkween -- Wednesday, 22 March 2006, at 7:04 p.m.