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Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well

Posted By: gman
Date: Monday, 31 October 2005, at 4:29 p.m.

In Response To: Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well (RasAtum)

I think colorism is perhaps less obvious in the US context than it is in say, Jamaica or Brasil. Because all recognizably Black people whether "yellow" or jet black, have been treated as niggers, and live everyday surrounded by a white society that treats them as such. This is probably why people (including myself) who have spent long periods in the US have tended to react with some hostility or skepticism to this issue of colorism that has been presented on these boards.
But colorism is a fact. Seeing as you and I are both lighter skinned, perhaps we are not as aware of that as some darker skinned people might be.
An ex-girlfriend of mine is very black-skinned and also extremely beautiful (by anyone's standard I could imagine). She spent her whole childhood being told she was "ugly" by a family member who was angry that her (light-skinned) mother had married a dark-skinned man. This can't be a one off isolated experience. I'm sure many people have experiences like that.
The cops will shoot me before they shoot a white person. But they just might shoot a darker-skinned and hence "more threatening looking" person before they would shoot me.
A great many Black people in the US seem to find lighter skinned people more attractive as sexual/romantic partners. I think that is probably the most obvious way colorism plays out in the U.S.
Generally speaking the phrase "if you're white you're alright, if you're brown stick around, if you're black, stay in the back" still applies I think. To different extents and in different ways in different places, sure. But it applies. Whites have set the standard, and the closer you are to that standard, the more privileges you get, the further away, the less. (Obviously this is a generalization- a black-skinned wall street exec with a six figure income is more privileged than a light-skinned unemployed "hood rat". But IN GENERAL I think it is true).
I think a lot of Black people (of whatever skin shade) who have been responding negatively to the discussions about colorism here, have been misinterpreting these discussions as some sort of attack on light skinned people or as saying that light skinned people are less worthy, or are not really "Black", are sellouts, etc. But I think if you read closely what Ayinde and others have pointed out around this issue, you would see that that is not what they're trying to say at all.

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Eja -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 5:43 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 7:07 p.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 10:27 p.m.
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gman -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 2:48 p.m.
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gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 7:31 a.m.
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Eja -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 8:21 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 9:28 p.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 10:49 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 11:31 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 12:58 p.m.
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Eja -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 6:00 p.m.
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Ras Joe -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:48 a.m.
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Enigma -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 2:30 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:23 p.m.
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Enigma -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 10:23 p.m.
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gman -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 2:27 p.m.
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Ras Heru -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 4:44 p.m.
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Eja -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 5:21 p.m.
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Ras Joe -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:57 a.m.
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gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 7:27 a.m.
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Eja -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 12:45 p.m.
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gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 1:18 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 6:32 p.m.
is it Diasporian-Africans fault they were born in
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 1:33 a.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:14 a.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:20 a.m.
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gman -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 4:05 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 1:50 p.m.
Africans and the Christian Bible
Ayinde -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:41 a.m.
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gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 7:20 a.m.
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blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:44 a.m.
come again lovely response
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 11:54 a.m.
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Eja -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 12:34 p.m.
Re: Well said Eja! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 1:02 p.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 1:55 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:00 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:04 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 2:43 p.m.
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blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 4:27 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 5:54 p.m.
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blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 6:41 p.m.
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Eja -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:09 p.m.
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blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 10:49 p.m.
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Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 4:38 a.m.
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blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 8:21 a.m.
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Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 2:35 p.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 2:47 p.m.
SELASSIELIVE WELL SAID
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 3:36 p.m.
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Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 4:58 p.m.
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blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 10:13 a.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 5:22 a.m.
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Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 5:59 a.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 6:14 a.m.
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Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:55 p.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:20 p.m.
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blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:39 p.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:57 p.m.
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Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 3:06 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:10 p.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:26 a.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:21 a.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 6:46 p.m.
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Eja -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 7:45 p.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 5:08 a.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:48 a.m.
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Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 6:10 a.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 3:19 a.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 11:14 a.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 11:51 a.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:30 p.m.
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blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:43 p.m.
BLESSEDFLAMES WELL SAID *NM*
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:06 p.m.
Wealth of the west built on Africa's exploitation
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 11:03 a.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:26 p.m.
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rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:33 p.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:44 p.m.
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rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 2:05 p.m.
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rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:55 p.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 4:06 p.m.
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rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 6:21 p.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 7:20 p.m.
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rasi -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 12:35 a.m.
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Eja -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 5:46 a.m.
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Ayinde -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 6:55 a.m.
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PatriotWarrior -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 7:47 a.m.
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selassielive -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 10:35 a.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 5:04 a.m.
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Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 1:48 p.m.
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selassielive -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 2:23 p.m.
Nuff Said-Respect Due. *NM*
rasi -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 2:26 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 9:06 a.m.
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selassielive -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 10:09 a.m.
voice of the 'real son' *NM* *LINK*
Eja -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 4:39 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 9:22 p.m.
Re: Ayinde, well said, so eloquent!!!!
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:09 a.m.
'Tribalism' or harsh reality? *LINK*
Eja -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:35 a.m.
Re: Thanks for exposing this information! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:59 a.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 9:10 a.m.
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Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 11:07 a.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 11:37 a.m.
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Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:08 p.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:56 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 2:42 p.m.
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gman -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 10:14 a.m.
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Ayinde -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 1:11 p.m.
Ayinde
karibkween -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 1:56 p.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 2:14 p.m.
The New Liberians
karibkween -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 1:27 p.m.
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selassielive -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 2:02 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 6:36 p.m.
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selassielive -- Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 11:47 a.m.
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Ayinde -- Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 1:24 p.m.
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Eja -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 2:07 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 3:02 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:22 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:47 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:39 a.m.
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selassielive -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:51 a.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 12:31 p.m.
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selassielive -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 2:23 p.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 2:43 p.m.
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selassielive -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 2:50 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 5:40 p.m.
Re: Yes, I made a comment. Thank you!!! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:11 a.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 2:50 p.m.
Racism, Colorism and Power *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 12:27 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Eja -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 3:21 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 2:19 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Eja -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 3:36 p.m.
Black/The Perfect Black
Eja -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 4:38 p.m.
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Ayinde -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:18 a.m.
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Eja -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:48 a.m.
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selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 10:50 a.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 8:52 a.m.
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Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 10:36 a.m.
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rob_afreeka -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 10:55 a.m.
mo'hawhaw
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: mo'of void eja talk
rob_afreeka -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:43 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 3:23 p.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Eja -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:43 a.m.
Colorism Lingers in the 21st Century *LINK*
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 7:43 p.m.
The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 7:56 p.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Masimba Musodza -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 2:49 p.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Ayinde -- Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 1:02 p.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Masimba Musodza -- Saturday, 22 October 2005, at 4:42 a.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Ayinde -- Saturday, 22 October 2005, at 8:11 a.m.
'Colorism' is Alive and Well *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 3:16 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
RasAtum -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 2:57 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 4:29 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 4:50 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 2:42 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 5:09 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 8:08 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Thursday, 3 November 2005, at 7:30 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well *LINK*
Eja -- Thursday, 3 November 2005, at 11:04 p.m.
And still no answer...
Eja -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 6:43 a.m.
Re: And still no answer...
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 8:50 a.m.
Re: And still no answer...
gman -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 8:24 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 10:49 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Saturday, 5 November 2005, at 7:32 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Saturday, 5 November 2005, at 10:09 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Saturday, 5 November 2005, at 10:17 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
RasAtum -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 5:16 p.m.
The paper bag test *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 7:13 a.m.
Skin-Deep Discrimination *LINK*
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Skin-Deep Discrimination
karibkween -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 4:32 p.m.
Re: Skin-Deep Discrimination
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 7:13 p.m.
All questions have already been answered!
karibkween -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 4:11 p.m.
Re: All questions have already been answered!
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:36 p.m.
Re: All questions have already been answered!
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:43 p.m.
Re: Questions & Answers
Iyahge Iyahn/Ras George -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 1:34 p.m.
Re: Questions & Answers
blessedflames -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Questions & Answers
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 1:29 p.m.

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