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Posted By: Gorrigan In Response To: Re: No., YOU butted in!!! (discipleofthenile)
Date: Saturday, 29 October 2005, at 3:10 p.m.
In Response To: Re: No., YOU butted in!!! (discipleofthenile)
Butted in? Let me educate you on the nature of WEB FORUMS, mate. Hitting reply starts a new thread. Therefore, a new topic and/or conversation is spawned. If you can't handle someone making a comment on something that you said, then you've honestly got no reason to be here. If you're going to say something that's meant for one person's eyes only, then send an e-mail. Posting something here means it's free game. You're not getting any special treatment from me. Web forum conversation = anyone can join in. Welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay. Frankly, if I see something in a web conversation that's quite obviously full of crap, I'm going to call them what they are: hypocracies, lies, and untruths.
If I agree with you, I'll tell you. And until this point, I've agreed with your original post that there is NO REASON for anyone to exterminate anyone else, at all. That white supremacy needs to be routed, destroyed, and erased. I AGREE with all of this. This is truth. However, there's B.S. mixxed in the batter as well. You simply can't lump all people of a nationality, or even a mindset, together. This is a thing you have not answered for. Be it for reasons of pride, prejudice, or simple ignorance, you've still not managed to come up with anything that refutes MY point that you're a complete and utter phony to your cause. Normally I don't do this, but hypocracy has no place in the world of awareness. You do your cause ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTICE BY COMBATING IGNORANCE WITH MORE IGNORANCE. You become the very thing you hate, whether you accept it or not.
Second, if I'm going to have to define every bleeding *noun* that I use, our correspondence is going to be so phenomenally long-winded that I'll be typing my fingers to a bloody pulp. Your vocabulary isn't so desperately sparse that you don't understand mundane things like the concept of a "human," correct? Then don't waste my time with your pseduo-socratic, meaninglessly probing vocabulary quizzes. Dictionary.com is out there. Use it for your own sake. If there's a question as to what I mean, chances are that dictionary.com can help you out.
Thirdly, on to my not refuting the silly little comment you made (which IS, of course, wrong) about scots and slavs not having to endure any "atrocities." You know what? I'm not going to argue down every minute bit of misinformation that you're gabbing on about, because frankly, that'd take me all day. If you want to niggle, go ahead and do it, but don't expect me to play along.
NOT ONLY will I not play along, but considering the blaring fact that you just disregarded the entirety of my last entry, I've got no real reason to dignify much of anything you've got to say with a response. You're not showing me the same courtesy. Scratch my back and I scratch yours, mate. You answer my questions, I answer yours. It's give and take. That's how these things work.
Fourthly, I will never, and I mean NEVER parade around and even imitate a racist. I am not your pawn, and neither are you mine. Even suggesting that I could "pass for a racist" is so *pathetic* that I can't even begin to comment. There is more to life than your crusade, my friend. It is a valiant and noble cause, but letting it consume you turns you not into a protector of your people, but into a fanatic. What you just suggested would be asking me to be something that I am not, destroying who I am, and what I stand for as a man of principle. Realize what you have just said. You want to USE me for your own purposes. What does that make you?
No better than the "white mindset," I'm afraid. Take a long moment to think about that before responding. Take a good long moment. You would be no less disgusted had I suggested something like that to you, would you not? You just asked me to sacrifice my own values to promote yours. You call the "white man" the controlling villain. What have YOU just done?
Fifthly, I did not compare or scale the atrocities in body-count or horror. In fact, I didn't compare them at all. I only stated that there are atrocities to account for on all sides, not just European. Therefore it's not a cop-out, is it? Nope. It's a plain and simple fact. People have a tendency to destroy eachother. That's the way it goes. Americans kill Americans. Whites kill whites. Muslims kill muslims. And I'm not about to list every forsaken war crime or crime against humanity that has been committed since the dawn of time, let alone in the last 400 years. Why? Because my example should have been enough. That, and letting a concern consume me to the point of sheer obsession isn't healthy. You seem to be focusing on WHO's killed more people than WHO. That's not the point. Try to think on a broader scale. The issue is that people destroy one another, regardless of race, gender, creed, disability, and the like. They STILL destroy eachother. Make everyone the same, and we'll still destroy eachother; we'll always find a reason to eliminate something we don't like. Wouldn't you say that the *loss of human life* is the more terrible thing? One man is no better than another, mate. I weigh my life just as heavily, if not LESS so, than I consider another's.
Sixthly, what I find quite amusing, almost cute even, is that you just made a gigantic fool of yourself in no less than 5 sentences. You got on my case for having a "selective memory," the reasoning for which, as I said, was because I'm not going to waste my time listing every single event where a white man killed someone, nor will I indulge the same for anyone else killing someone. But nevertheless, you got on my case for having a selective, or otherwise limited memory.
Well guess what? In your next little rant, you managed to shoot your credibility to utter rubbish. I NEVER SAID that the N.O.I. is *like* the KKK. Learn to read, mate. I said, and I QUOTE, that the "founding principles of the Nation of Islam have been arguably applied to those of the KKK."
What was that? Let's read it again. "The FOUNDING PRINCIPLES of the Nation of Islam have been arguably APPLIED to those of the KKK." I made absolutely no mention of body count. You did. Shows where your focus is, eh? There is the possibility of hate, and hate in action, in the heart of every man and woman. The christians have preached hate. Africans have preached hate too, not to mention perverting and turning something beautiful like Islam into a vessel of hate and ignorance. W.D. Faard claimed to be Allah.
That's an out and out BLASPHEMY to a classic Muslim. Not to mention preaching that anyone with lighter pigmentation was a perversion humanity's roots, not to take into account at all the blatant fact that geography had a large part to do with physiological change.
Don't do the equivalent of calling me foolish, and then prove yourself to be an utter hypocrite by reading something I say, and then OMITTING key words to fit your own agenda. Let's use the ol' mental-muscle a little more, mh?
Now, what about the questions I posed to you in my last post? What about your profiling scots and slavs, and the white mentality? What about the many baseless assumptions you made about my character? Why waste everyone's time with your "I was talking about a mindset" squabble, when I knew exactly what you were talking about (and made that clear in my first post)? What about the utterly farcical comment you made about me being "self-conscious" about NOT BEING BLACK (are you honestly *trying* to kill me with laughter)? I've given you answers. Why have you not given me mine? Chickened out? ;)
It's a legitimate question. Give and take, mate. Give and take. Otherwise you're just wasting my time, and running your mouth.
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