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Re: Questions

Posted By: PatriotWarrior
Date: Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 7:47 a.m.

In Response To: Questions (Eja)

Thanks Eja for the powerful post, and I enjoyed reading all the replies.

I did not want to involve myself in this very heated discussion, knowing fully well that it’s the type that can never end, (where it’s hard to change your opinion), but I decided to have a brief “go” at it.

Reading through some certain posts, one sees clearly how “differently focused” most of us here are in thought, if at all focused on common cause that makes sense … and IRRESPECTIVE of what or who we believe in, or regardless of whether we call ourselves “Rastafarians”, whether we’re black or not … but ESPECIALLY if we’re black! I would also add that by “black”, I mean anyone who is black; just like by “white”, I would mean anyone who is considered white.

I think there should be no making the mistake of over-romanticizing either Afrika or Ethiopia, as some people seem to do: To the point of even ignoring historical facts and current realities. No! What other “evidence” would one choose to acknowledge? Most of us, (who of course have NEVER even been to Ethiopia before), have no knowledge of what’s actually happening in Ethiopia, seem to forget that Ethiopia -- (the Ethiopia we have on the political map of Afrika, not the one in our heads!!) -- is a political entity like any other, with the same successes and failures and prejudices (such as based on race/colourism/ gender/class) one can find anywhere in the world, and including the wider Afrika itself. It was like that in Ethiopia even before Emperor Haile Selassie ascended to power and it was like that through his reign, despite his being there.

The advent of Rastafarianism has done nothing to change that!

Honestly, I think an issue such as “colorism” would be nothing new to an Ethiopian’s ears, for even Ethiopia is not colour-blind, or doesn’t seem to be. Here, of course what I mean is that the colourism based on social class tied to family lineage can (still) be found in Ethiopia too. I have been to Ethiopia and I was there in August & September this year .… I have interacted with some, but I think MOST Amharic Ethiopians do not even see themselves as “black”, or I may have to correct that by adding that they don’t count themselves as being the same “race” as the darkest people on the planet. They may even be right, because their phenotype tends to point (“more and more …”) to another human genotype. In that sense (at least), no one could ever force them to be “black”.

Some people here are quarrelling about the contradictions of “Semite” and “Ethiopian”/“African”, the meanings of “Black” vis-à-vis “Semite”, but I think the underlying issue here is also about “classification”, categorization, or how the CONCEPT of “Ethiopia” relates to Afrika: the wider, BIGGER AND BLACKER Afrika: the rest of Afrika which itself is known by everyone as unmistakeably black! In that case, I find it fitting to question other people’s conceived or pre-conceived ideas of what that Afrika is or should be, or about WHO constitutes Afrika.

Generally, what makes Afrika “black” or what should differentiate a black Afrikan from an Ethiopian, especially someone from the Amharic tribe?

I think what Brother Eja is saying is that we should just learn to recognise the SIMILARITY between the real Afrika and the one in our dreams.

Messages In This Thread

Questions
Eja -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 5:43 p.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 7:07 p.m.
Re: Questions
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 10:27 p.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 12:09 a.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 2:48 p.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 4:28 p.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 7:31 a.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 8:21 p.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 9:28 p.m.
Re: Questions
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 10:49 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Friday, 7 October 2005, at 11:31 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 12:58 p.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 6:00 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ras Joe -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:48 a.m.
Re: Questions
Enigma -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 2:30 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:23 p.m.
Re: Questions
Enigma -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 10:23 p.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 2:27 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ras Heru -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 4:44 p.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 5:21 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ras Joe -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:57 a.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 7:27 a.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 12:45 p.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 1:18 p.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 8 October 2005, at 6:32 p.m.
is it Diasporian-Africans fault they were born in
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 1:33 a.m.
Re: is it Diasporian-Africans fault they were born
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:14 a.m.
Re: is it Diasporian-Africans fault they were born
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:20 a.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 4:05 p.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 1:50 p.m.
Africans and the Christian Bible
Ayinde -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:41 a.m.
Re: Africans and the Christian Bible
gman -- Friday, 21 October 2005, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: Answers
blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:44 a.m.
come again lovely response
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 11:54 a.m.
Re: Answers
Eja -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 12:34 p.m.
Re: Well said Eja! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 1:02 p.m.
Re: Answers
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 1:55 p.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:00 p.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 3:04 p.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 2:43 p.m.
Re: Answers
blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 4:27 p.m.
Re: Answers *LINK*
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 5:54 p.m.
Re: Answers
blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 6:41 p.m.
Re: Answers
Eja -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:09 p.m.
Re: Eja
blessedflames -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 10:49 p.m.
Re: Eja
Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 4:38 a.m.
Re: Eja
blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 8:21 a.m.
Re: Eja
Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 2:35 p.m.
Re: Eja
selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 2:47 p.m.
SELASSIELIVE WELL SAID
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 3:36 p.m.
Re: Eja
Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 4:58 p.m.
Re: Eja
blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 10:13 a.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 5:22 a.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 5:59 a.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 6:14 a.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:55 p.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:20 p.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:39 p.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:57 p.m.
Re:BlessedFlames
Eja -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 3:06 p.m.
Re: Answers *LINK*
Ayinde -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 8:10 p.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:26 a.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:21 a.m.
Re: Answers
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 6:46 p.m.
Re: Answers
Eja -- Sunday, 9 October 2005, at 7:45 p.m.
Re: Answers
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 5:08 a.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:48 a.m.
Re: Answers
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 6:10 a.m.
Re: Answers
Bantu-Kelani -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 3:19 a.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 11:14 a.m.
Re: Questions
rob_afreeka -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 11:51 a.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:30 p.m.
Re: Questions
blessedflames -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 12:43 p.m.
BLESSEDFLAMES WELL SAID *NM*
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Monday, 10 October 2005, at 1:06 p.m.
Wealth of the west built on Africa's exploitation
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 11:03 a.m.
Re: Wealth of the west built on Africa's exploitat
Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: Questions
rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:33 p.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:44 p.m.
Re: Questions
rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 2:05 p.m.
Re: Questions
rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 1:55 p.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 4:06 p.m.
Re: Questions
rasi -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 6:21 p.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Tuesday, 11 October 2005, at 7:20 p.m.
Re: Questions
rasi -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 12:35 a.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 5:46 a.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 6:55 a.m.
Re: Questions
PatriotWarrior -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 7:47 a.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 10:35 a.m.
Re: Questions
rob_afreeka -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 5:04 a.m.
Re: Questions
Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 1:48 p.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 2:23 p.m.
Nuff Said-Respect Due. *NM*
rasi -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 2:26 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 9:06 a.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 10:09 a.m.
voice of the 'real son' *NM* *LINK*
Eja -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 4:39 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Friday, 14 October 2005, at 9:22 p.m.
Re: Ayinde, well said, so eloquent!!!!
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:09 a.m.
'Tribalism' or harsh reality? *LINK*
Eja -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:35 a.m.
Re: Thanks for exposing this information! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:59 a.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 9:10 a.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 11:07 a.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 11:37 a.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Questions
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:56 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 2:42 p.m.
Re: Questions
gman -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 10:14 a.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 1:11 p.m.
Ayinde
karibkween -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 1:56 p.m.
Re: Ayinde
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 2:14 p.m.
The New Liberians
karibkween -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 1:27 p.m.
Re: The New Liberians
selassielive -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 2:02 p.m.
Re: The New Liberians
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 6:36 p.m.
Re: The New Liberians
selassielive -- Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 11:47 a.m.
Re: The New Liberians
Ayinde -- Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 1:24 p.m.
Re: The New Liberians
Eja -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 2:07 p.m.
Re: Ayinde
Ayinde -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 3:02 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:22 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 12:47 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:39 a.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
selassielive -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:51 a.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 12:31 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
selassielive -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 2:43 p.m.
Re: ???!!!!!!!!!!
selassielive -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 2:50 p.m.
Re: Questions
Ayinde -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 5:40 p.m.
Re: Yes, I made a comment. Thank you!!! *NM*
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:11 a.m.
Re: Questions
Eja -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 2:50 p.m.
Racism, Colorism and Power *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 12:27 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Eja -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 3:21 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 2:19 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Eja -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 3:36 p.m.
Black/The Perfect Black
Eja -- Thursday, 13 October 2005, at 4:38 p.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Ayinde -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:18 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Eja -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:48 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
selassielive -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 10:50 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
rob_afreeka -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 8:52 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 10:36 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
rob_afreeka -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 10:55 a.m.
mo'hawhaw
Eja -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: mo'of void eja talk
rob_afreeka -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 11:43 a.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Priest Asukile Adigun Adofo -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 3:23 p.m.
Re: Black/The Perfect Black
Eja -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Racism, Colorism and Power
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 8:43 a.m.
Colorism Lingers in the 21st Century *LINK*
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 7:43 p.m.
The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Ayinde -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 7:56 p.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Masimba Musodza -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 2:49 p.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Ayinde -- Thursday, 20 October 2005, at 1:02 p.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Masimba Musodza -- Saturday, 22 October 2005, at 4:42 a.m.
Re: The Legacy of the Brown Paper Bag
Ayinde -- Saturday, 22 October 2005, at 8:11 a.m.
'Colorism' is Alive and Well *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 19 October 2005, at 3:16 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
RasAtum -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 2:57 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 4:29 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 4:50 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 2:42 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 5:09 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 8:08 p.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Thursday, 3 November 2005, at 7:30 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well *LINK*
Eja -- Thursday, 3 November 2005, at 11:04 p.m.
And still no answer...
Eja -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 6:43 a.m.
Re: And still no answer...
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 8:50 a.m.
Re: And still no answer...
gman -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 8:24 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 10:49 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Saturday, 5 November 2005, at 7:32 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
Ayinde -- Saturday, 5 November 2005, at 10:09 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
gman -- Saturday, 5 November 2005, at 10:17 a.m.
Re: 'Colorism' is Alive and Well
RasAtum -- Monday, 31 October 2005, at 5:16 p.m.
The paper bag test *LINK*
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 2 November 2005, at 7:13 a.m.
Skin-Deep Discrimination *LINK*
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Skin-Deep Discrimination
karibkween -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 4:32 p.m.
Re: Skin-Deep Discrimination
Ayinde -- Friday, 4 November 2005, at 7:13 p.m.
All questions have already been answered!
karibkween -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 4:11 p.m.
Re: All questions have already been answered!
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:36 p.m.
Re: All questions have already been answered!
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 15 October 2005, at 10:43 p.m.
Re: Questions & Answers
Iyahge Iyahn/Ras George -- Monday, 17 October 2005, at 1:34 p.m.
Re: Questions & Answers
blessedflames -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Questions & Answers
three_sixty -- Tuesday, 18 October 2005, at 1:29 p.m.

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