Re: WHY DO BLACK RASTAFARIAN MEN DATE WHITE WOMEN?
Posted By: Bantu-Kelani In Response To: Re: WHY DO BLACK RASTAFARIAN MEN DATE WHITE WOMEN? (PatriotWarrior)
Date: Thursday, 24 March 2005, at 6:00 p.m.
In Response To: Re: WHY DO BLACK RASTAFARIAN MEN DATE WHITE WOMEN? (PatriotWarrior)
You said: “” Yes, I agree, and it is one thing I have always stressed here and on the other board. I will clearly state -- (again) -- that I am no zealous campaigner for “multiracialism”, for that, in most cases, means bad co-option. I hope you remember/know that I have a 7-year old daughter who is half-white, and so such issues (and especially how they are addressed or by whom) automatically concern me as a black father to a little half-black girl of 7. I always try not to mix my own private and into other general affairs. If, for you, this should mean nothing (to me), Bantu, then I am sorry to say you are mistaken. Yes, you are! You should really be kidding to expect me to blame myself terribly, ENDLESSLY, to “weep without end” that I (“accidentally” or otherwise) made a child with a white woman.
… [One can bring in something private ABOUT ONESELF from the private sphere of life, but sometimes I really hate discussing/referring to past personal/private matters, as if to want to prove my point. I think private matters -- (or matters out of private life) --can be referred to, but I don’t think it helps anyone if such references appear unnecessary]. ””
WHY do you think I want you to weep “endlessly” because you chased/chase white women and had a mulatto daughter because of that? If you see fit to run to white females with their lustful and hypocrites selves, you cannot blame those of us who will never do that. I repeat, I could have stayed living in a little town in Germany, and be surrounded with white folks but I will NEVER think to date one of them because I can’t ignore the substance of who I am! For some pro-black blacks you can pass off as a traitor with your half-white daughter. As for me pure black children are the best it is how I see things. You don’t want to mix your private life with issues reasoned on theses boards but you quickly jumped to tell "your" example in this thread and others. The bottom line PatriotWarrior is that you have a mulatto child that only give you reasons to be vocal about interracial relationships and mutliculturism.
You said: “”according to you, of those tens of thousands of happy black (Afrikan) women married to white (or other) men in Europe and Afrika (… and America etc). I guess I shouldn’t expect to hear you make the loudest noise about those “wayward” females. There are many black women married to whites, in case you overlook that, here, there and everywhere, who’d swear they are happy with their lives, or that they would not be happier even if with someone of their own race … And statistics actually show that, on average, a black woman is more likely to meet & marry a white thru (answering to) a newspaper ad, than a black man is likely to marry a white woman (via the same method). In fact, contact agencies are a booming business everywhere, and they of course have many black female clients. In short, there is a current trend of more black women marrying whites, than vice-versa (and I think one easily notices such couples here where I live (IF NOT THERE), for example). “”
I’ve heard brothers say a thousand times that black women LOVE to marry white man as much as black men in this racist world. Frankly it is not true! Black women would love nothing more than to be with their black brothers! Unfortunately, many black women find that hard to obtain because black men don't want to commit to them. If your statistics are valid, then why black women have the lowest marriage rates of all races, especially when it comes to fatherless homes and lonely sisters? In fact, I’d say that black men have the tendency to avoid commitment to black women. It sure isn't because black women who don't want to be married. Examples: SO MANY black celebrities (that include the Jamaicans and the Rasta musicians, the American Hip Hop artists and the ball payers) have mixed babies and non-black women all over. Talk about black women being so light skin obsessed to reject to reject their own men, in terms of interethnic unions, black men have the greatest tendency everybody knows that! Go to London, Paris, Cologne, New York, L.A, or Denver... and tell me what you see???
You said: “” Sometimes, I think there is this vehement, hate-filled, anger-drilled campaign (by some well-coached black females) to try and castigate any fellow black male anytime for any and every and all failure and gradual break-down in the black community. Though NATURAL and normal, these differences should, I think, still not be allowed to pass unnoticed. And so of course I wish these inter-gender relations could one day be (made) better.””
My question here is, “strong” black women shouldn’t speak up? From my standpoint I know many available, well educated, beautiful black women who are ignored and rejected because of their inability to be WHITE women. So I believe that in order to have genuine respect for the black woman, black men and black women sure need to talk. There are many brothers out there that don’t try, or give up on their "own" woman because IT IS TOO HARD, Ras K speaks truth about that! The whole game plan is to date out of the race because it is infinitely easier to black men, and SO MANY black women feel a sense of the prejudice form black men. Black women are affected by these self haters. Black women should speak the truth? Why sistas must endure such hostility and abandonment by brothas? TELL ME WHY?
You said: “” But I think you can’t expect me to listen to you and believe your talk about Germany! It’s your right to express your thoughts/views/feelings/suspicion/pride, but it’s another thing to ignore other people’s social circumstances, immediate environments, because Germany is not Texas, USA, and there are different types of relations between blacks over there and those of us here, and even different kinds of blacks, or the way we relate to each other, in particular, and to the “outside”/white society, in general. “
My experiences are what they are. I feel important to acknowledge yours too, but it seems yours open the door or boost the legitimacy of interracial relationships.
You said: “ I think one of the greatest stumbling blocks faced by blacks today -- (whatever “blacks” means, no pun intended …) -- is our great capacity for fomenting internal strife, discussion, endless argument and discussion, racial disunity.””
Yes, like our brothas refusal to primarily marry, date, or sleep with sistas? You are right PatriotWarrior about "DISUNITY," so many of our men embrace it for money and prestige, I say it is sad.
You said: “" But I also believe this “multiracialism” -- (dealing with black-white interracial relationships) -- is being blown out of proportion (by some). [I think Colourism would be another, a more interesting, issue]. What is the “demography” of multiracialism in our society, anyway? Can someone tell me? … How much percentage of “pure black” adults are into inter-racial relationships? Are “black” people -- [male as well as female] -- more into INTRA-racial or inter-racial relationships? Are these habits the same in Afrika as they are elsewhere in the USA, the Caribbean, in Europe, as they were a few decades ago etc? What factors are central in creating the growth of “multiracialism”? Who is at peace with “multiracialism” (or why)? Who is not at peace (& why)? … Whatever the answers, I would say in Afrika, most “pure black” people marry other “pure black” people. In Europe, the Americas and elsewhere, of course the case is slightly different. I think it’s just a natural case, due to MIGRATION, that people -- male as well as female -- interbreed with other people over the lengths spanning their migration. “"
I already talked about that. BLACK ARTISTS AND BLACK ATHLETES ARE SEEN WITH MORE WHITE FEMALES THAN SISTERS...so what can you say? You mean to tell me it is just a "fad" that only typified celebrities??? We both know this just show the deplorable interracial tendency of black men and white women in the United States, Europe, and the Caribbean.. The tendency is in the African continent is milder like you say. However, today, continentals are being spiritually and socially corrupted by this phenomenon. Especially if a good number of continental political leaders support interracial marriages, and so many continental youth follow the HIP HOP and Reggae artists, which essentially hang out/sleep with someone of another race or ethnicity, especially white.
You said: “”To be frank and honest, I care less what race/colour your partner is, or what features he has: it wouldn’t bother me a bit even if you had a white boy-friend, an albino boy-friend, a mulatto boy-friend or Congolese or Afrikan boy-friend, or whomever! “”
So, why you mentioned him? You seem to care.
You said: “Bantu, you sound so proud to reveal that your partner is “ … so BLACK I doubt he may come from any mixing of Europeans or Indians or Native Americans …”, but I honestly don’t see you as someone who is “so black” (in my view, from your picture I’ve seen so far); and so, my simple point is: do you mean that you castigate (even) every lighter skinned (black) person, or that they are not fit for you (as a proud black woman), or why do you go to such lengths to explain personal titbits in your private life, or are you trying to say that you, as a black woman too proud as you are, WOULD not even date a light(er)-skinned BLACK brother just because they aren’t black enough, or dark enough (or if you wouldn’t be sure straight away, if there is any “mixing” in them), when you yourself don’t seem to be so dark? … Or just what are you trying to communicate? ““
I have often heard this suspicion about my color. I don't know if you know but pure Bantu/blacks can have rather lighter skin without a strain of white or Asiatic blood! I am Ngala/Kongo so I am not a mixed woman, I am simply a Bantu with brown-yellowish skin I am 100 % black. But it is true I prefer very dark men because I consider myself very "pro-black". I know TONS of sistas who will only date/marry very dark skinned brothas in particular, now what?
You said: “”You’re right! But I thought you had very little -- or almost nothing -- to do with Rastafari, from the way you’ve addressed the issue on various subjects on this board (and the other)?”
If anything, as a continental African I have the legitimacy to argue the Rastafari believers if they claim to represent and be engaged in the pride of the African Diaspora. This forum is the right place for me to do that.
You said: “ I respect that. So I won’t discuss that with you. The quotation above is amusing and sounds funny. Nowadays, Germany has no “poor dating selections”, I think, or not for those who ‘chase such choices’, except our meanings are different … I can understand that Germany had the worst dating choices when you were here 11 years ago … But I think things have changed now, improved, better chances ... “”
Do you read yourself? You previously said where you live in Germany there is no sisters around you, or not conscious ones, etc. Now you say they are all over? Give me a break.
You said: “”Congolese men are those men coming from Congo that I know and have known and have been having experiences about/with in Germany, not what you tell me they are (over there), or what you try to make them be (or those I knew here, even 11 years ago!). I lived here 11 years ago,..
(I know about Afrikans and their hunger for “papers” -- lousy documents -- in their desire to exchange (or throw away!) their Afrikan identities for glitzy Western ID documents in the “civilized world”, so nothing new you’re revealing to me. Many go illegal, or would risk everything, which I also know. But you’d be mistaken if you expect everyone to be “intelligent” thru con marriages, get fake papers, ferry their entire extended family from Afrika over … In fact, that’s exactly what brings conflict between whites in Europe and native Afrikans sometimes (and I won’t comment further on that, though I understand the situation)…
Normally, no-one should need/use a white woman, ANY WOMAN, as a “front” to get papers: NO! I have and proudly keep my Afrikan passport (even though I could get an EU passport anytime I wanted), would never exchange it for a European one, as MOST blacks who can lawfully stay in the EU forever, behave (at least if they behave according to the law) … “”
THANK YOU TO SAY YOU UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION! The overwhelming majority of Congolese people are victims of brutality, violence, wars, poverty, and disease, my country is literally HELL ON EARTH! So many Congolese are forced to flee or DIE. And who is sane of mind would want a life like that? Immigration is part of survival, and I know many Congolese militants who fight for the rights and liberation of our brothers and sisters in the western countries where they migrated. They, including me, make efforts to give the benefits of their immigration for our people as a whole. Some Congolese have to marry white women for papers! When the western immigration administrations are not too racists they get want they want, then they bring their families in the nations where they live.
DO YOU REALLY THINK WITH THE WHITES WHO OPPRESS US 24/7 365, THOSE WHO LUST BLACK MEN/WOMAN, ESPECIALLY THE SO-CALLED “RASTAFARIANS,” BEAR NO POSSIBILITY IN MENDING OUR PAIN AND UNITING OUR FAMILY? THEY DO! It is about time the whites who supposedly know our struggle (those who sleep with black men/woman thinking they are part of our community) do something to make some kind of reparation for the sins of their white ancestors, grandparents, and brother and sisters.
You said: “So, anyway, what are you telling me now: To look for a Congolese woman in Germany to marry, because Congolese are special black-conscious, militant Pan-Afrikan “race patriots” or what? … (Or aren’t you just sounding like none of them would ‘want’ me, anyway?) “
I certainly never said Congolese were the “most conscious/Africanist” blacks out there. I don’t think so! But I know my people, I know they have the inability to hang out with white people and integrate. They may take authority from white folk and give them their power to make decisions on their fates. But I repeat they prefer to marry and procreate within their own nationality, especially men! I personally find their marital preference paradoxical too… If they could have the same mentality in the political and economic arena, I know it would galvanize, and liberate the Congo at last, but until then no change.
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