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Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I

Posted By: iyah360
Date: Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 9:18 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I (Ayinde)

Haile Selassie symbolizes much - it is what one brings to the reasoning that determines what one gets out of the symbol. There are many ways to view Haile Selassie - and I am not insinuating seperating the symbolic figure from the historical personage - but when one is trying to justify a man's actions continually in the light of some exoteric Judeo-Christian concept of "God" - one is going to continue running into snags, blind faith, and "mental gymnastics" - it thus becomes necessary to look deeper. As you stated: "Also, the meaning of Ras Tafari (head - he who inspires awe) cannot be the exclusive domain of one person. The concept of Ras and Tafari can be found in other African symbols, and in the way they paid respect to their elders. Certainly the meaning of Haile Selassie (Might of the Trinity) is an old African concept that has permeated all other cultures that conceptualize a Trinity. Languages evolve and new words developed while the essential meaning is the same. So even Ras Tafari is not the exclusive property of one group of Africans or even Selassie, as the words and meaning were around before him." - With this in mind, Haile Selassie starts to mean something deeper than a historical person in a vaccuum - he begins to symbolize something greater and more ancient - the concepts of the names, what do they mean - where did they come from - what remnants are carried over from the ancient Nile Valley civilizations - where did the root ideas of God in Man come from - where did the words RA, RASTA come from. And when all these words, symbols, forms are learned about and the real inner journey is taken which they are all an allusion to - the wellspring of truth which one encounters in the realms of I and I is beyond any vessel.

And then we look back on the image of Haile Selassie and see what it really means when they say "Selassie I liveth in the hearts of all flesh" The universe and the Head Creator pulsing in all of creation, and all life in perfect order.

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Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Israelite Anbessa -- Sunday, 6 June 2004, at 8:11 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Sunday, 6 June 2004, at 3:01 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
givin_thanx -- Sunday, 6 June 2004, at 6:13 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ayinde -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 10:29 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
givin_thanx -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 10:47 a.m.
In my house , there is a picture of
bikoture -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 11:03 a.m.
Re: In my house , there is a picture of
Ayinde -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 2:56 p.m.
Re: In my house , there is a picture of
rashoward -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 6:03 p.m.
Are you a Rastafarian? *NM*
Israelite Anbessa -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 2:36 p.m.
Re: Are you a Rastafarian?
Ras Tyehimba -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 8:04 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 5:53 p.m.
This was to AYINDE'S POST ABOVE *NM*
Israelite Anbessa -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 2:37 p.m.
Re: This was to AYINDE'S POST ABOVE
Ayinde -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 2:53 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ras Marcus -- Monday, 7 June 2004, at 9:22 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
givin_thanx -- Tuesday, 8 June 2004, at 2:21 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Tuesday, 8 June 2004, at 8:50 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ras Marcus -- Tuesday, 8 June 2004, at 9:04 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Tuesday, 8 June 2004, at 8:44 a.m.
Again Elder !!!
bikoture -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 10:39 a.m.
Re: Again Elder !!!
Ras Marcus -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 9:42 p.m.
Again Elder!!!!!
ras adam simeon -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 10:41 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 10:55 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Ras Marcus -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 10:40 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 1:32 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
givin_thanx -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:43 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Freespirit -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:14 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
ras marcus -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 2:46 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Freespirit -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 1:59 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
selassielive -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 2:12 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
givin_thanx -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:41 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 3:02 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
givin_thanx -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 3:34 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
iyah360 -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 9:27 a.m.
Elder Marcus
ras adam simeon -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 5:10 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Ras Marcus -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 11:24 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Freespirit -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 4:30 a.m.
My Opinion...
Israelite Anbessa -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 6:30 a.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Ayinde -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 6:34 a.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Freespirit -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 8:17 a.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Ayinde -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 8:55 a.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Freespirit -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 2:13 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
gman -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 7:16 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
rashoward -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 10:41 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Ras K -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 6:54 a.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
rashoward -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
rashoward -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 1:27 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Ras K -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 6:48 a.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
nyamabla -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 7:25 p.m.
Re: Elder Marcus
Ras Marcus -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 9:04 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
untojah -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 7:25 a.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Ras Marcus -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 10:37 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
untojah -- Tuesday, 15 June 2004, at 6:04 a.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Ras Marcus -- Tuesday, 15 June 2004, at 9:08 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
gman -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 1:29 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
untojah -- Friday, 18 June 2004, at 5:40 a.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Ras Marcus -- Sunday, 20 June 2004, at 10:56 p.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
Ras Marcus -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 11:43 p.m.
W.E.B. DuBois' The Souls of Black Folk
R. Thomas -- Monday, 21 June 2004, at 4:38 a.m.
Re: Again Elder!!!!!
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 11:52 a.m.
Re: Again Elder !!!
rashoward -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 12:33 a.m.
Re: Again Elder !!!
bikoture -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 3:23 a.m.
Re: Again Elder !!!
rashoward -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 5:19 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
ravin -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 1:31 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ras Marcus -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 6:03 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
ravin -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 6:35 p.m.
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Ras Marcus -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
ravin -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 10:11 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Israelite Anbessa -- Tuesday, 8 June 2004, at 3:09 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Tuesday, 8 June 2004, at 6:42 p.m.
To RasHoward
Israelite Anbessa -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 6:02 a.m.
Re: To RasHoward
rashoward -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 5:11 p.m.
Re: To RasHoward
Israelite Anbessa -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 1:45 p.m.
Re: To RasHoward
rashoward -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 3:55 p.m.
Re: To RasHoward
rashoward -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 3:56 p.m.
Re: To RasHoward
Israelite Anbessa -- Friday, 18 June 2004, at 9:16 a.m.
Re: To RasHoward
rashoward -- Saturday, 19 June 2004, at 7:28 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 4:05 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 10:59 p.m.
Garvey on Haile
ras adam simeon -- Wednesday, 9 June 2004, at 11:07 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 12:55 a.m.
Garvey on Haile
ras adam simeon -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 6:58 a.m.
Re: Garvey on Haile
rashoward -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 5:00 p.m.
Re: Garvey on Haile
Israelite Anbessa -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 1:51 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 9:18 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ayinde -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 5:14 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 6:54 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
jahreal -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 10:01 p.m.
Villification par excellence?support yo statements *NM*
bikoture -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 4:47 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
bikoture -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 6:36 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 1:07 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 9:14 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 9:31 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 9:33 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
bikoture -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 11:31 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 9:49 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 10:19 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
rashoward -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 10:53 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Israelite Anbessa -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:15 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Israelite Anbessa -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:17 p.m.
Sorry, this was to KELANIS LAST POST ABOVE! *NM*
Israelite Anbessa -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:18 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 2:54 p.m.
to Kelani
Israelite Anbessa -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 5:55 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Bantu-Kelani -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 3:53 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Israelite Anbessa -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 6:09 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Bantu-Kelani -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 4:44 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ayinde -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 8:14 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 5:06 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
givin_thanx -- Saturday, 12 June 2004, at 10:07 p.m.
to KELANI
Israelite Anbessa -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 6:09 a.m.
Re: to KELANI
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 8:09 a.m.
Re: to KELANI
Israelite Anbessa -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 1:11 p.m.
Re: to KELANI
Bantu-Kelani -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 9:55 a.m.
Re: to KELANI
Israelite Anbessa -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ayinde -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 11:26 a.m.
HIM "Africanness" and Exploding the Myth of whitey
Ras Nathaniel -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 5:33 p.m.
WE AFRICANS WILL FIGHT, IF NECESSARY
Ras Nathaniel -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 5:39 p.m.
HIM SAYS BURN FOREIGN RELIGION BONDAGE
Ras Nathaniel -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 5:46 p.m.
HIM SAY UNITY OF MYSTICS WHATEVER THE RELIGION
Ras Nathaniel -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 5:58 p.m.
HIM SAY I&I FREE TO WORSHIP HIM HAILE SELASSIE I
Ras Nathaniel -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 6:03 p.m.
EOC ABUNAS SAY BIBLE SAY HIM RASTAFARI GOD, TOO!
Ras Nathaniel -- Sunday, 13 June 2004, at 6:10 p.m.
Re: EOC ABUNAS SAY BIBLE SAY HIM RASTAFARI GOD, TO
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 3:19 a.m.
Re: EOC ABUNAS SAY BIBLE SAY HIM RASTAFARI GOD, TO
gman -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 2:26 p.m.
Re: EOC ABUNAS SAY BIBLE SAY HIM RASTAFARI GOD, TO
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 5:30 p.m.
Re: EOC ABUNAS SAY BIBLE SAY HIM RASTAFARI GOD, TO
gman -- Tuesday, 15 June 2004, at 12:35 p.m.
GIVE THANKS Elder Ras Nathaniel!!!
Israelite Anbessa -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 2:37 p.m.
Re: GIVE THANKS Elder Ras Nathaniel!!!
Bantu-Kelani -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 4:31 p.m.
Re: my 2 cents
rasi -- Monday, 14 June 2004, at 6:20 p.m.
Re: GIVE THANKS Elder Ras Nathaniel!!!
Israelite Anbessa -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 8:50 a.m.
Re: It is Posts like these
Ras Tyehimba -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 2:22 p.m.
Re: It is Posts like these
Israelite Anbessa -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 2:50 p.m.
"only a foolish dog
bikoture -- Tuesday, 15 June 2004, at 1:29 p.m.
Re: "only a foolish dog
Bantu-Kelani -- Tuesday, 15 June 2004, at 3:24 p.m.
Re: "only a foolish dog
selassielive -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 4:48 p.m.
Re: "only a foolish dog
rashoward -- Sunday, 20 June 2004, at 12:15 p.m.
Re: "only a foolish dog
bikoture -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 5:46 a.m.
Re: . The truth can only be said boldly
Bantu-Kelani -- Thursday, 17 June 2004, at 9:39 a.m.
Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Ayinde -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 10:48 a.m.
'Sup dawg
gman -- Wednesday, 16 June 2004, at 1:41 p.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
iyah360 -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 9:08 a.m.
true rastaman!!!
bikoture -- Friday, 11 June 2004, at 10:44 a.m.
Re: Garvey speaks on Haile Selassie I
Israelite Anbessa -- Thursday, 10 June 2004, at 6:15 a.m.

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