greetings again oshun, without too much detail, I'm familiar with some examples out there that have been somewhat successful that have for example have received millions and also land returned, but as you or someone in this thread I think mentioned it is quick fixes and not completely helpful in itself, thats what happened, for example when the native americans have received reparations and land, it is only land that is bad or of no use to the rich rulers, etc. and/or where they dump their toxic waste, etc..... the good land they hold onto, and also when financial reparations are 'given' it is a big scam too, even when the receiving victimized community organizes and is careful, they've been had again too, for exple, one situation where millions in checks were given out and then right away these extreme profiteers were far ahead of 'the game' and new that large sums of money were being distributed to these people so they were actually out their on there lawns and doorsteps peddling,etc... and banks and loan companies were giving out loans to them at I think it was even twice the rate of the average highest loan, exploiting their newfound 'riches', etc.... just tons of pathetic examples of what has happened, and then of course much more is lost... and there are very confusing cases also of 'mixed blood' people. as just from the few replies to this post/this thread, etc... can show how complicated it gets

I am not trying to focus on native americans, etc... I am just more familiar with this in my life and learning more about it right now, and also checking into alot of what Ras Tyhemba posts, and one mentioned some successful stories as a start to model after in africa, and total debt forgiveness, its unreal to even write that sentence, to forgive the 'debt of africa' etc... its the other way around but their no fools, especially that lead devil of the IMF, and their economic hitmen, will post link sometime about a book called 'Confessions of and Economic Hitman,' if you like, ... anyhow, some of the most sensible ideas are like you say revolution and also just working with people naturally at the so-called 'lower level' and reaching peoples minds before they are poisoned.

The whole concept of land(ownership) in this 'country' has to be "reconsidered," lol, thats a nice and simple way to put it I guess, among many things. also, for those who are not able to repatriate, etc... and not even considered true citizens by the democ.&republ.&christian politricksters and getting jipped in this socalled 'multicultural demon-ocracy,' I guess will have to turn things around

ownership ownership ownership seems to be the key word, land ownership, media ownership, institutional ownership of anykind, even in socialist, etc & communist societies it is about ownership, they supposedly fight exploitation and base their doctrine on empowering the landless and oppressed, but instead they do wierd illogical crap like not allowing people to even meet casually in groups or even ride in the same vehicles to funtions, etc... (to say the least) and of course we all know how capitolism does not promote true freedom like it says either...... anyhow, sorry tired & just going on and on, will stop here, and will add more later when I hopefully come to more conlusions that may be helpful, give thanks for your wisdoms, Heather