Ites I-ciple.

I agree that it is choice or the perception of choice that is InI downfall.

If the I had included the first sentence in the quote then there may be a better overstanding of what I am saying.

"If good and evil existed unto themselves, then free will would not make any difference. Good and Evil would still exist regardless of whether one has a choice to commit 'good' or 'bad/evil' acts. "

IF good and evil existed unto themselves, independent of other variables, then choice would not make a difference, that is assuming we really have choice.

They would still exist...nah true?

But it is the actions (causes) that create consequences (effects), which InI perceive as good and bad/evil.

So I agree with what u are saying.

I was merely trying to answer seshata's question about free will and whether it is really 'free will' and how it relates to good and bad.

I really dont know the TRUTH about these epistemological questions...only my version of the truth as I sight it.

Give thanks