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Re: WHY DO BLACK RASTAFARIAN MEN DATE WHITE WOMEN?

You said: “ To begin with, I found your usage of the word “Hard Core” (somehow) “fascinating” but somehow a misfit (but there were no hard feelings). “

There is nothing “misfit” about the word “hard core,” it only means a “black person who is dedicated to black unity & empowerment.”

You said: “ I don’t think I would straight away agree with you that MOST Rasta men “who sleep with white women”, as you wrote, esteem these women -- (whatever you mean by “esteem”, or if that’s automatically supposed to be positive or negative “esteem”) -- but if you tell me so, then I suppose I would have to research and inform myself more on that issue, or if that could be true. “

Well I used the term “esteem” when talking about those brothas who seem to have MUCH LOVE for white women. They became blind to themselves to reality and history, it becomes a very bad thing.

You said: “ What “alliance” are you referring to there? Is every “pure black” guy having a “pure black” partner an “alliance”, or is every “pure black” couple automatically a “heaven-on-earth” alliance? In general, how many “pure blacks”, according to you -- [whether married to “fellow pure” blacks or not, whether single or not single (however “pure” they may be)] -- hold an alliance of their own African blackness? “

It would be idiotic for me to say every black couple in the race, are good, in fact MANY brothers and sisters around me, and in the world, are ignorant of their health and well being. They are not intelligent and do not value unity. Yet, if a black person (a Rasta believer) respects black people and their culture, why will he/she make the choice to fall in love with somebody of another race? I find it sort of disingenuous when I see a black person, in an interracial relationship, constantly talking about their “Black Pride” like they are still “with the tribe”. I don't think one can be Rastafari (pro-black) and date a white person. You can't do both...it's one or the other!

You said: “ Sometimes I think people lay too much stress on effects and not CAUSES, as both impact the scattered, mis-educated and powerless black community, in their (sometimes) too PERSONAL criticism of others, haughty sometimes, which I personally find strange. They seem to already know everything, waiting for the right moment to start barking directives … Stress: I DON’T THINK I NEED TO SHOW (ANYONE) THAT I HATE WHITES, OR THEIR SYSTEM IMPOSED ON US, TO BE SELF-CONSCIOUS, SELF-LOVING & a proud Afrikan, just like I don’t expect “a someone from nowhere” to tell me how I can know what makes the world tick, just like that, or exactly who hurts our Afrikan people (or how). “

If you perceive hell, that is, a self-hatred cancer in the black community why not look at and criticize who actually owns it, who are pushing it further to break the black family and esteem? You can see the hurt on many of sistas’ faces when so many of their “own” men are with women of a different race. Then, I should say nothing? If you say yes, it wouldn't surprise me, you are a man and had/have relationships with white females.

You said: “… and I’m serious about that, no kidding! You seem to oversimplify and underrate that (perhaps because you don’t live here, anyway), or you choose to see certain things through your own Congolese eyes (I think partly because you yourself live in a land overflowing with eligible black men): indeed, you did write at one time -- I think -- that you live and are “romantically involved with a black American” ... Honestly, I don’t know -- or I’m not close -- to those “Congolese people in Germany who are only married to other Congolese. Actually, the truth of the matter -- (just to show how paradoxical this whole debate about “pure blackness” or a demand for Afrikans in the cold countries to seek and find and then stick to those of their stock etc, can be) -- is that: Afrikans (in Europe/Germany) tend to date or marry ONLY those Afrikans from their tribe/culture/country/(and hardly another black Afrikan) -- (in that order of descent …) -- except they marry someone from an entirely non-black or non-Afrikan background (such as an African-American). In Germany, it is the same, and what I meant by there being “… virtually no black women …” HERE where I live in Germany (or at least for me) could therefore be seen as meaning -- (more or less, at least in that “African” sense) -- that there are no Zambian or no South Afrikan women for me here where I live. Indeed, this is true in the sense that there are numerically only few -- in fact less than 10 -- Zambian families (or Zambian students) that live within a radius of about 250km of where I live. This is true! There are many Congolese, Nigerians, Ghanaians, yes, but what should one do -- (beyond the usual “Hello” and being mere platonic or superficial friends with them) -- when they appear to only want to stick to themselves, or date and mate only with each other? … Or what, when other numerous Afrikan nationals here have that particular STRICT tribal/national mindset? In my adult life, I have seen Afrikans fight over “their” women, white women, any women, money, over everything etc, with fellow black Afrikans, right here in Europe!

Furthermore, I know MANY, MANY Afrikans here, including some Congolese, who are married to, or have had (or are having) relationships with, white women. In fact almost everyone seems to have a white/German girlfriend here these days (at least for those that are single and ‘pursue’ that) ... Nevertheless, I agree that there are many Congolese (women & men as well) here and that -- (I think) -- they mate or marry only each other in their Congolese group because they like it so; and so, therefore, you forgot to note that Afrikans generally stick to each other in their “national group”, detest “foreigners” in that sphere of life, wherever they live in fairly large communities anywhere in this world. I am from Zambia (and I therefore hope you now understand what I’m pointing to …). In general, all people (even within a race) are more or less like that; and so nothing’s strange! “

This is true...my life partner is BLACK AMERICAN, he is not WHITE, and he is not MULATTO. African Americans are generally made up of the same racial background as Bantu/black continentals. My mate complexion is so BLACK I doubt he may come from any mixing of Europeans or Indians or Native Americans. A major mixing and difference in cultures took place with African American people, but there is still evidence in the U.S of high number of dark skinned blacks in the country. The majority of the black people in the US are not mulattoes. So I know where you were going with me not having a Congolese mate, but I didn’t choose an interracial relationship. I made a conscious decision to get involved with a black man that wants uplifting black people!!!

Besides, brother PatriotWarrior, there is almost no Congolese where I live. But I swear to you that those who are here definitely refuse to pursuit white women, but some have to do it to find papers then they are intelligent enough to bring MOST of their wives form Congo, I see it all the time! To be honest with you, CONGOLESE MEN ARE THOSE WHO FEEL INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES THE LEAST... for many reasons, they mostly find a mate within their own nationality talk to a Congolese man he will talk about what I say. But, me, I am a true Panafricanist, I don’t mind hooking up with a black man of any nationality, as long he is pure black, and see it is important for him to recognize his blackness and identify with the struggle.

You said: “ So, to me, some things sound good only as clichés, on paper, whereas the reality out HERE is different, and when most people see themselves as personally locked in a social battle for own economic survival (but nothing more)… “

Listen, when one think of RASTAFARI blackness and resistance, when one is proud of his/her black african heritage & history, one make sure to promote continuation & expansion of the black race no matter his or her economic situation. I can understand being in an area with poor dating selections. I used to live in Germany too, 11 years ago, which had the worst dating choices I've ever faced in my adult life. The black community is almost non existent there: Inter-racial dating was rampant (I saw mostly black Americans males with white German females)...most had children... BLACK PRIDE was completely absent. It would have been easy for me to date a white man; but, I never considered this option. I never considered this option because I could not see myself with anything other than a black man. While I couldn't ignore the lack of decent black men there, I knew there were decent black men someplace else. As a result I left the country: Eventually I came to the US and found many black men everywhere I look. I wonder if brothas give up on sistas without giving themselves an opportunity to find a broader selection of sistas. What is the most “convenient” environment for them?

You said: “I can tell you, Bantu Kelani, that many (if not MOST!!) black women -- just like the men -- I have known here in Europe (and elsewhere) don’t give a damn about “Black Power”, or “Race Pride”, or “Afrikan Liberation” … Some are just too dumb to understand such concepts, wouldn’t even know what “White Supremacy” (used in the contemporary context) means … some are just retarded and arrested, not sophisticated, in this mental battle to survive; which seems to be the main priority of most, perhaps preceded only by money, and not at all by love for Afrika, i.e.: before anything like “race brotherhood or sisterhood” or “black Consciousness” or anything else that would universally identify the black race as a homogeneous racial entity: in the real sense! “

OBVIOUSLY MOST OF OUR PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED, but one can not possibly be "RASTAFARI" and then date/marry white. What a living contradiction!!! Why do I keep saying this? Because to be a black RASTAFARI person is to love and reflect the beauty of whom you are and who your people are. It's to instill within them the reflection of love, of culture, of pride, of history concerning who we are as a people. RASTAFARI is supposed to be exactly that, "PRO BLACK.” BLACK RASTA MALES WHO SEEK OUT THEIR OWN REFLECTION AND IMAGE BY MARRYING, DATING, OR SLEEPING WITH WHITE WOMEN IS CONTRADICTION TO THE PSYCHOLOGY OF "RASTAFARI". So therefore, I see problems, even with so-called “black conscious” brothas.

B.K

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